supplements on anavar cycle

[masso]

Been on my var/test cycle for a week all is going great. Just wondering what other supplements are recommended. I have been reading about taurine for the pumps but I'm not to sure if I need it.

Atm I have milk thistle, multi vitamin, pro biotics. Creatine, protein, liv 52.

Cheers

[slimshady01]

been on my var/test cycle for a week all is going great. Just wondering what other supplements are recommended. I have been reading about taurine for the pumps but i'm not to sure if i need it.

Atm i have milk thistle, multi vitamin, pro biotics. Creatine, protein, liv 52.

Cheers

tudca

[Turkish Juicer]

You are wasting your money with milk thistle. If any liver supplement actually works, then it is Liv52, which you already have.

[CanYouDigIt]

I'd still take milk thistle it's been prooven to improove liver functions, protect it, cleanse and in alot of cases help to heal tissues, anyone who uses any kind of "pills" from gear to pain meds should be taking it, and taurine is a very good product to put into your mix,

and you really don't need any "supplements other then a good multi vitamin & stuff to protect" the rest is a bonus to have,

[austinite]

I'd still take milk thistle it's been prooven to improove liver functions, protect it, cleanse and in alot of cases help to heal tissues, anyone who uses any kind of "pills" from gear to pain meds should be taking it, and taurine is a very good product to put into your mix,

and you really don't need any "supplements other then a good multi vitamin & stuff to protect" the rest is a bonus to have,

Multivitamins are a joke.

[Justhav2p]

Been on my var/test cycle for a week all is going great. Just wondering what other supplements are recommended. I have been reading about taurine for the pumps but I'm not to sure if I need it.

Atm I have milk thistle, multi vitamin, pro biotics. Creatine, protein, liv 52.

Cheers

var only??? are you a chick?

[CanYouDigIt]

too be honnest you shouldn't need vitamins in general if your diet is up to par, multi vitamin just gives you what your missing or if your diet is that bad, you can take animal pak or something along those lines.

[Turkish Juicer]

]I'd still take milk thistle it's been prooven to improove liver functions, protect it, cleanse and in alot of cases help to heal tissues, anyone who uses any kind of "pills" from gear to pain meds should be taking it,[/B] and taurine is a very good product to put into your mix,

and you really don't need any "supplements other then a good multi vitamin & stuff to protect" the rest is a bonus to have,

We would like to see these proofs.

[bigZthedestroyer]

We would like to see these proofs.

X2....research article perhaps?

[MuscleInk]

too be honnest you shouldn't need vitamins in general if your diet is up to par, multi vitamin just gives you what your missing or if your diet is that bad, you can take animal pak or something along those lines.

I don't entirely agree. For the general populous, yes, vitamins would be unnecessary IF (and this is an enormous false assumption) people consumed the necessary quantities of fresh fruits and vegetables. The reality is (at least in North America) very few people consume the recommended daily guidelines from each food group. Most physicians won't advocate the use of vitamins because they feel a "well balanced diet" (and most physicians can't even properly articulate what that means) is satisfactory.

Now, turn to people who are far more active and less sedentary than the general populous AND add to that, an individual using anabolic substances or growth promoters and you easily have a case where a standard diet and basic vitamins alone would simply not be enough.

As an example, here is a typical day of supportive nutrition (aka vitamins) that I would take in addition to gear.

- creatine
- arginine
- vitamin C
- vitamin A
- vitamin E
- zinc
- krill oil
- probiotics
- digestive enzymes
- NAC
- niacin
- TUDCA
- astaxanthin
- taurine
- Resveratrol
- ubiquinol
- CoQ10
- saw palmetto
- MSM

[ppwc1985]

Holy crap, that would cost me more than the cycle itself. Lol

[MuscleInk]

Holy crap, that would cost me more than the cycle itself. Lol

It adds up fast!

[Turkish Juicer]

I don't entirely agree. For the general populous, yes, vitamins would be unnecessary IF (and this is an enormous false assumption) people consumed the necessary quantities of fresh fruits and vegetables. The reality is (at least in North America) very few people consume the recommended daily guidelines from each food group. Most physicians won't advocate the use of vitamins because they feel a "well balanced diet" (and most physicians can't even properly articulate what that means) is satisfactory.

Now, turn to people who are far more active and less sedentary than the general populous AND add to that, an individual using anabolic substances or growth promoters and you easily have a case where a standard diet and basic vitamins alone would simply not be enough.

As an example, here is a typical day of supportive nutrition (aka vitamins) that I would take in addition to gear.

- creatine
- arginine
- vitamin C
- vitamin A
- vitamin E
- zinc
- krill oil
- probiotics
- digestive enzymes
- NAC
- niacin
- TUDCA
- astaxanthin
- taurine
- Resveratrol
- ubiquinol
- CoQ10
- saw palmetto
- MSM

An anecdote: if you have a high fat diet that includes nuts, seeds and EVOO on a daily basis, you won't have to supplement with Vitamin E or Digestive Enzymes.

I am a huge proponent of pre & probiotic blends BTW. Won't travel without them.

Beta-alanine and caffeine are also very worthy supplements IMO. They also happen to work synthetically with Creatine.

[MuscleInk]

An anecdote: if you have a high fat diet that includes nuts, seeds and EVOO on a daily basis, you won't have to supplement with Vitamin E or Digestive Enzymes.

I am a huge proponent of pre & probiotic blends BTW. Won't travel without them.

Beta-alanine and caffeine are also very worthy supplements IMO. They also happen to work synthetically with Creatine.

Excellent addition TJ.

The digestive enzymes help with a lot of stomach issues I have which flair up more with any oral anabolics. The enzymes and probiotics have helped immensely and I've been able to reduce many of the H2 antagonists I used to take daily. Nuts are a great nutrition source for many reasons. I usually eat a cup of almonds a day.

Probiotics are interesting. I used to question their efficacy. Since taking them a year ago a lot of stomach issues I once had have settled down. In fact, a few times when I've missed my probiotics for several days in a row I get frequent dyspepsia.

Didn't know about the synergy between caffeine and creatine. Good to know and I've been switching my normal coffee for green tea, mostly for the antioxidant benefits.

[Turkish Juicer]

^^^ I can see how the digestive enzymes can be very beneficial to someone with chronic stomach issues. Again, a cold pressed high quality EVOO (this will be costly over at the States, that's for sure) with a low acid content (0.8% max.) will be also very beneficial with these issues, especially when consumed by itself, preferably on an empty stomach. Something for you to keep in mind.

I have been using a pre & probiotic blend over the past 5 years and my chronic digestion issues due to having followed a high protein diet for years have finally been resolved. People who follow high animal-protein diets should certainly look into biotics at some point, not to mention people who made a habit of using these throughout their lives are known to face the possibility of developing colon cancer as well as chronic diseases that are similar by nature. Another fact about these pre & probiotic blends is that they improve protein synthesis, which is unfortunately often overlooked by many lifters who supposedly pay attention to nutrition.

The synergy between Caffeine and Creatine can be a negative one if caffeine is consumed at rather high doses (over 150mg at once, and in supplement form) and ingested along with Creatine (simultaneously), studies suggest that Caffeine destroys the Creatine metabolism in the cell. However, there are also other human studies suggesting that such negative synergy will only occur at very specific cases where mega-doses of Caffeine was ingested along with Creatine and that at a lower dosage, Caffeine and Creatine in fact create a positive synergy by working together. I can post these studies in detail if anyone is interested, BTW.

Beta-alanine is also a great supplement and a quite affordable one. Again, not only it works on its own through a different mechanism than Creatine does, but what is more interesting is that it likes to work synergistically with Creatine and delivers the best results to the lifter that way. In sum, Creatine Mono alone is a great supplement but when combined with Caffeine and Beta-Alanine, you are looking at a result that somewhat resembles the war machine below

[MuscleInk]

Awesome response TJ. Thanks for all that info. Much appreciated!