test prop question

[stillernation]

225lbs
6'1"
23yo
bench 335
deadies 485
squat 425
military 245


Hows this looking fellas? Test prop 100, 150mg eod for the prop. But as for pct most importantly when should pct be started with a short ester test? Is nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 50/50/25/25 still a good pct? ai .25mg ed if gyno occurs? 23g 1.5 inch pin

[kronik420]

225lbs
6'1"
23yo
bench 335
deadies 485
squat 425
military 245


Hows this looking fellas? Test prop 100, 150mg eod for the prop. But as for pct most importantly when should pct be started with a short ester test? Is nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 50/50/25/25 still a good pct? ai .25mg ed if gyno occurs? 23g 1.5 inch pin

how long you plan on running it for?

an AI like arimidex should be used starting week 1.. do not wait for gyno symptoms before starting it..

PCT id probably go with nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50

im using a 25g 1.5" pins atm, but it just comes down to personal preference..

this is your first cycle right??

[kronik420]

what are your goals?

and do you know your bf% ??

[stillernation]

2nd cycle, i ran test e at 500 ew for 12 weeks. Yes this will be an 8 week cycle, i want a clean bulk, body fat is about 16% now. How long after cycle do I start pct tho?

[kronik420]

2nd cycle, i ran test e at 500 ew for 12 weeks. Yes this will be an 8 week cycle, i want a clean bulk, body fat is about 16% now. How long after cycle do I start pct tho?

3 days

[Bio-Active]

2nd cycle, i ran test e at 500 ew for 12 weeks. Yes this will be an 8 week cycle, i want a clean bulk, body fat is about 16% now. How long after cycle do I start pct tho?

You should be running hcg during the cycle as well. Makes recovery much better.

[kronik420]

You should be running hcg during the cycle as well. Makes recovery much better.

at 250 IU's 2x a week

[stillernation]

ive been seeing hcg alot lately but dont know much about it. What is it and does ar-r have it?

[Bio-Active]

at 250 IU's 2x a week

^^^^ yes

[Bio-Active]

ive been seeing hcg alot lately but dont know much about it. What is it and does ar-r have it?

Hcg mimics lh keeping your testies functioning on cycle. Makes recovery faster as they have not been shut down and you just need to jump start your lh production

[MickeyKnox]

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

[Justhav2p]

why do prop instead of test e, if it's for the "quick" starting ester just kickstart your test e with some dbol.

not a fan of being a pin cushion for no reason. afraid of bloat? .....AI

[stillernation]

naw its cheaper from my source

[stillernation]

And i didnt see hcg on ar-r and my source doesnt have it either.

[MuscleInk]

And i didnt see hcg on ar-r and my source doesnt have it either.

No, not with Ar-r as a research chem yet.

[stillernation]

Is it crucial to the cycle or can i get away without it? Im not sure how else i would get it, all my pct and ai gear are coming from ar-r.

[MuscleInk]

I personally wouldn't run a cycle without it.

[Bio-Active]

Is it crucial to the cycle or can i get away without it? Im not sure how else i would get it, all my pct and ai gear are coming from ar-r.

Some people run with out it but just like MI said I would never run a cycle without it either!

[kawika]

Is it crucial to the cycle or can i get away without it? Im not sure how else i would get it, all my pct and ai gear are coming from ar-r.

Imo you can run it without it. Especially for a short 8 well cycle. Besides to much hcg use can desensitize your testes to endogenous lh production.

[stillernation]

is there anything else close to hcg that i could use instead, from ar-r or ill check my source to see if they have it?

[ScotchGuard02]

I increase your Clomid to 100/50/50/50. I like Test Prop cycle because you're shutdown for a shorter duration and the results are quicker. 3 days wait vs 14 days for Enth ester which makes a quicker PCT.

[Bio-Active]

So you testies being shut down for 8 weeks is a short period of time? I will never understand why people would ever suggest running a cycle with out hcg? Like i said i would NEVER run a cycle with out it! Give me one good reason to not use it?

Imo you can run it without it. Especially for a short 8 well cycle. Besides to much hcg use can desensitize your testes to endogenous lh production.

[kawika]

So you testies being shut down for 8 weeks is a short period of time? I will never understand why people would ever suggest running a cycle with out hcg? Like i said i would NEVER run a cycle with out it! Give me one good reason to not use it?

As I mentioned before, PERMANENT desensitization of the testes to endogenous lh would be my reason (based on continuous over use of hcg). Imo on test alone his recovery with out hcg will be find. And yea 8 weeks is short relative to a 12 or 16 week cycle. Personally my hpta recovered find without hcg on a 12 week.

[kawika]

So you testies being shut down for 8 weeks is a short period of time? I will never understand why people would ever suggest running a cycle with out hcg? Like i said i would NEVER run a cycle with out it! Give me one good reason to not use it?

Also did you use hcg on your first cycle?

[Bio-Active]

Also did you use hcg on your first cycle?

Hcg could only cause desensitization if it was done in large doses. At a moderate 250 iu 2 x EW I have never seen that happen

[kawika]

Hcg could only cause desensitization if it was done in large doses. At a moderate 250 iu 2 x EW I have never seen that happen

I thought I saw a study somewhere that said prolonged use. So even small doses but for years could end up desensitizing you. Maybe I am wrong.

[s.e.bowen]

I personally wouldn't run a cycle without it.

Even a 40 day short burst cycle?

s.e.bowen

[stillernation]

no when i ran my test e 12 weeker I didnt take hcg, didnt notice anything with the nades however i never really was looking.

[stillernation]

but without hcg, is it possible for them to shut down for good in those 8 weeks? or will it just take them longer to function normally?

[stillernation]

anyone?

[clarky.]

but without hcg, is it possible for them to shut down for good in those 8 weeks? or will it just take them longer to function normally?

No they won't shut down for good.
Yes longer to function.

[stillernation]

Ok thanks for the replyy. I dont plan on reproducing anytime soon so I guess ill pin up without the hcg

[stillernation]

alright one last question about this hcg since its got me wondering now, would 250 iu once a week be effective at all? or would 250iu x2 a week for the last 5 weeks be effective?

[MickeyKnox]

Given the choice, 2/wk. But i would include it from day one, particularly with a short ester.

[stillernation]

Got it. I still am considering test e to avoid pin cushion, but would that make a difference on when hcg should be started? Could i wait 4 weeks since test e wont start effecting me till then?

[MickeyKnox]

Got it. I still am considering test e to avoid pin cushion, but would that make a difference on when hcg should be started? Could i wait 4 weeks since test e wont start effecting me till then?

Usually its recommended you begin with your first pin. But im in the camp that suggests its ok to begin hCG after the second wk with Long Esters. Short Esters you begin hCG with first pin always.

[< <Samson> >]

Straight up from personal experience. I ran a cycle without HCG, bawls shrank. I am on a long cycle now and on HCG. I don't notice a damn difference. Seen HCG preached on here like its the cure to all. But, its effects on me at least have been extremely moderate. I maybe notice a tiny difference in my nut size but that is it.

My 2 Cents.

Seems like a nice real mild cycle otherwise.

[MickeyKnox]

Straight up from personal experience. I ran a cycle without HCG, bawls shrank. I am on a long cycle now and on HCG. I don't notice a damn difference. Seen HCG preached on here like its the cure to all. But, its effects on me at least have been extremely moderate. I maybe notice a tiny difference in my nut size but that is it.

My 2 Cents.

Seems like a nice real mild cycle otherwise.

Im thinking that it's possible your hCG wasn't up to par Samson. Not many individuals can claim that hCG has no effect on their testicular atrophy. So im leaning towards questioning your source, or the validity of the product.

[OnTheSauce]

My "load" is always a lot more fluid wise the day of hcg shots. I experience very little atrophy, so that is never a concern

[< <Samson> >]

Im thinking that it's possible your hCG wasn't up to par Samson. Not many individuals can claim that hCG has no effect on their testicular atrophy. So im leaning towards questioning your source, or the validity of the product.

it is possible for sure. But it looks legit, if that means anything.