TRT and Test levels

Just want to give you all my history first

Erectile dysfunction / Low testosterone is destroying my life, i don't even know if this is just ED or low test as well. I got to the point where I m getting depressed.

1. Low libido
2. Can't maintain erection (some times not even for two mins).
3. Lake of motivation
4. Low energy
5. Difficult to maintain muscle strength
6. Moody

I can not keep my erection for more then 2 mins sometimes which is now getting bad. Took doctors help.

Doctor 1: gave me viag-ra 50mg, worked for me for one month then in the middle of sexual activity it stopped, he increased the dose to 100mg, worked again and made me the happiest person in the world but after a month viag-ra stopped working completely. Doc gave me levitra, Starting from 10mg and ended up to 20mg, did not work at all. Not even any side effect, it was like taking or not taking, same. Then my doc gave me 20mg CIALIS. Worked, made me happy again. Two months later, stopped working. Cialis stopped working too. I tried viag-ra again after months of gap but nothing, I myself without the advise of doctor increased viag-ra's dose, double, 200mg. Still did not work, no results.

Before giving cialis 2 months ago doctor did my BW, all good, no blood pressure, cholesterol or any other issue. Test level was 23 (L10, H35), which was in the middle of normal , I guess. I am 31 years old.

After when all these tabs stopped working for me, my doc sent me to another doc by saying that he does not know what the issue is.

Doctor 2: I had one session with him and came to the conclusion that I got mental issue, well alright, sent me to psychiatrist.

Doctor 3: psychiatric: i consider him a doctor as i spent heaps lots of money on those sessions, three sessions there, waste of money as it is not mental issue. Why would that be a mental issue. I m very happy with my partner and my sex have been awesome two years ago. After these sessions Doctor 2 referred me to another doctor.

Doctor 4: going to him on Monday, but frankly I just don't wanna, what is he going to do? Same dramas and I will end up alone in my life.

I thought I should use IPT, I got some but just thinking, I thought I should start my own treatment of TRT by getting some test e or c, also thought about using trimix or bimix. I m so depressed at the moment and thought I should post here, may be get some good ideas...



( Sad Jones )

P.S.
I do not smoke, I do not drink, I do gym and boxing, which kept me healthy. I have been the happiest person when it comes to s-e-x, i remember those days when i was jumping on my Ex twice a day, still had high libido, just 2 years ago, but now I think I am the most sad man on earth now a days.

Sorry to hear about your problem.

You need to see an endocrinologist and have him run a blood test for you, in which your hormone panel should be studied.

This is a quite simple lab procedure, as a matter of fact: if your Test levels are below a certain number, your doctor will naturally leap to a conclusion that you are suffering from low Test levels and discuss the option of TRT.

Lastly, self-prescribed TRT is never a wise decision.

Your having a hard time mate if it was me i would start trt just 2 feel normal agian but im no doc the guy's here will prob help you mate maybe MI is your man for this.

Ask to get your hormones checked out, and demand to see the results, including reference ranges.
If your Doc says theres nothing wrong, then post the results here, or in the HRT forum for proper feedback, you can be within the "normal" ranges but still suffer from low testosterone.

Thank you guys for listening, there is nothing worse then getting soft infront of your girl, I got to the point where I took my penis in my hands and yelled at it.

Thanks Turkish, I am trying to get a doctor a proper one but it seems like every doctor I see is stupid,

Clarky, I did think about going on TRT, if nothing happens I will self treat myself,

MA: doctors always say everything is normal, I don't understand why, they want you to die or commit a suicide

What are your stats? Age, body weight, ht, bf, steroid history?

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Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

What are your stats? Age, body weight, ht, bf, steroid history?

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Age: 31
Weight: 182 but now 185
Height: 181
Bf: 12% before 15% now
Never used AAS

Maybe check out the new lowtestosterone.com. Sounds like a good deal at $199.00 month and Im sure they can fix you up. I wil aslo be posting in the HRT section not the anabolical section. They have some really knowledgeable guys over there.

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Originally Posted by #1stunna

Maybe check out he new lowtestosterone.com. Sounds like a good deal at $199.00 month and Im sure they can fix you up

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Hi man, I am not in America

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Originally Posted by #1stunna

I wil aslo be posting in the HRT section not the anabolical section. They have some really knowledgeable guys over there.

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Sorry about that, new to this forum

ok I understand. Well I still would be posting over there in the trt section. YOu will get better advice for your problems, These guy over here can be kinda harsh. Worst case scenerio you can always get your own BW done possibly and post it up in the hrt section and you can self admin. Can you order your own BW in your country? How easy is getting gear, test, AI etc..

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Originally Posted by #1stunna

ok I understand. Well I still would be posting over there in the trt section. YOu will get better advice for your problems, These guy over here can be kinda harsh. Worst case scenerio you can always get your own BW done possibly and post it up in the hrt section and you can self admin. Can you order your own BW in your country? How easy is getting gear test, AI etc..

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Requesting admin to move the thread please,

No, you need doctors recommendation for BW, also getting steroids is not easy but I think I can manage if I try.

I had my BW done not more then couple of months ago

Here in the US we have companies like privatemdlabs.com where you can order your own bw. Maybe if you search you could find something similar in your country. If you go to privatemdlabs.com most guys orde the male anit ageing test package. Essentially it cover all the things you will want to look at initially. If you wanna check it out to get an idea of what you need to be looking at .

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Originally Posted by #1stunna

Here in the US we have companies like privatemdlabs.com where you can order your own bw. Maybe if you search you could find something similar in your country. If you go to privatemdlabs.com most guys orde the male anit ageing test package. Essentially it cover all the things you will want to look at initially. If you wanna check it out to get an idea of what you need to be looking at .

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I might not be able to find this here, it's too much restrictions when it's comes to health.

I agree with many of the previous posters that you need a complete hormone panel. Even though your testosterone levels are normal you could be having ED due to elevated SHBG (and therefore low free testosterone levels), estrogens (namely estradiol), prolactin, etc.

In the meantime, you may want to consider medications such as Muse, Edex or Caverject. If those don't work, then you may want to consider Trimix as you mentioned.

Good luck. Keep us posted. Btw, what country are you in?

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Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

I agree with many of the previous posters that you need a complete hormone panel. Even though your testosterone levels are normal you could be having ED due to elevated SHBG (and therefore low free testosterone levels), estrogens (namely estradiol), prolactin, etc.

In the meantime, you may want to consider medications such as Muse, Edex or Caverject. If those don't work, then you may want to consider Trimix as you mentioned.

Good luck. Keep us posted. Btw, what country are you in?

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Thanks Doc, I did ask doctor about trimix or alternate injection options but he thinks I am so young for it and he can't prescribe.

Also doctor 2 said everyone faces ED at some stage of life so IT'S NORMAL. Because its normal that's why he can't help me more then sending me to a physiatrist.

I am in Australia by the way and it seems like doctors are dumb or don't wanna help or they don't know anything. It's more painful when in this world of modern science you can't get help from doctors.

I asked one question to my doctor 2 when he was sending me to physiatrist, why via-gra worked for me at the first place? It is physical issue. His reply "your head sent a signal to your penis now that it's not gonna work", really? Same goes for levitra and cialis, well that was big enough statement to send me to a physiatrist, still nothing happened. I do not have any idea where to get a proper treatment. I m sick of it, now how I am going to make doctor to prescribe me the trimix or caverject, I m sure he will send me to another physiatrist as apparently my testosterone levels are FINE,

As noted, you need a complete hormonal and thyroid work up done to rule out low testosterone, estrogen and thyroid issues.

Also, there are a host of pathologies that can cause ED problems.

These need to be all ruled out.

Sometimes just thinking to much about it can cause ED.

I use trimix on a recreational basis and it's the real deal.

I could be at a funeral and if i used trimix i'd still have a major erection...the stuff is simply amazing...I feel like a porn star LOL.

Get the blood work done and don't go by lab ranges but anti aging optimal ranges and see where you stand.

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Originally Posted by gdevine

Get the blood work done and don't go by lab ranges but anti aging optimal ranges and see where you stand.

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Thanks man, I wish I could get trimix, it really doesn't matter what I feel because doctors never listen to you.

Just an addition I heard that just using CLOMID refills the need of testosterone, not sure if this is true, just asking this question as I got 30 CLOMID tabs (50mg each). Should I just give it a try,

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Originally Posted by ali.jones

Just an addition I heard that just using CLOMID refills the need of testosterone, not sure if this is true, just asking this question as I got 30 CLOMID tabs (50mg each). Should I just give it a try,

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Not true.

Moreover, Clomid has its own sides, such as suppressing your natural Test production even more.

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Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

Not true.

Moreover, Clomid has its own sides, such as suppressing your natural Test production even more.

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Thanks for stopping me doing something stupid

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Originally Posted by ali.jones

Thanks Doc, I did ask doctor about trimix or alternate injection options but he thinks I am so young for it and he can't prescribe.

Also doctor 2 said everyone faces ED at some stage of life so IT'S NORMAL. Because its normal that's why he can't help me more then sending me to a physiatrist.

I am in Australia by the way and it seems like doctors are dumb or don't wanna help or they don't know anything. It's more painful when in this world of modern science you can't get help from doctors.

I asked one question to my doctor 2 when he was sending me to physiatrist, why via-gra worked for me at the first place? It is physical issue. His reply "your head sent a signal to your penis now that it's not gonna work", really? Same goes for levitra and cialis, well that was big enough statement to send me to a physiatrist, still nothing happened. I do not have any idea where to get a proper treatment. I m sick of it, now how I am going to make doctor to prescribe me the trimix or caverject, I m sure he will send me to another physiatrist as apparently my testosterone levels are FINE,

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Psychiatry may be the right option for you. There's certainly no harm in it. But at the same time, you do need a complete hormone panel to evaluate for other potential hormonal causes of ED as clearly your problem is not neurovascular.

Also, in regards to the clomid, as far as I have read and seen it often increases testosterone levels even in ppl with normal levels. Check out PubMed or Cochrane Review and do a search for "clomiphene testosterone" and read some of the studies. It is routinely used by many doctors to treat low testosterone in patients wishing to presence fertility.

Evening,

is it a good practice to run 500mg test EW with HCG and AI for 12 weeks then do PCT BUT straight after PCT run TRT dose of Test E 200 to 250 every 2 weeks (with or without HCG and AI)

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Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

Psychiatry may be the right option for you. There's certainly no harm in it. But at the same time, you do need a complete hormone panel to evaluate for other potential hormonal causes of ED as clearly your problem is not neurovascular.

Also, in regards to the clomid, as far as u have read and seen it often increases testosterone levels even in ppl with normal levels. Check out PubMed or Cochrane Review and do a search for "clomiphene testosterone" and read some of the studies. It is routinely used by many doctors to treat low testosterone in patients wishing to presence fertility.

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Good info doc

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Originally Posted by gdevine

As noted, you need a complete hormonal and thyroid work up done to rule out low testosterone, estrogen and thyroid issues.

Also, there are a host of pathologies that can cause ED problems.

These need to be all ruled out.

Sometimes just thinking to much about it can cause ED.

I use trimix on a recreational basis and it's the real deal.

I could be at a funeral and if i used trimix i'd still have a major erection...the stuff is simply amazing...I feel like a porn star LOL.

Get the blood work done and don't go by lab ranges but anti aging optimal ranges and see where you stand.

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Yeah but we all know you are a necrophiliac on the down low. ;)

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Originally Posted by ali.jones

Evening,

is it a good practice to run 500mg test EW with HCG and AI for 12 weeks then do PCT BUT straight after PCT run TRT dose of Test E 200 to 250 every 2 weeks (with or without HCG and AI)

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Most ppl here recommend time on plus time on PCT should equal time off. Meaning that after your PCT you should be on nothing for about 8 weeks.

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Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

Most ppl here recommend time on plus time on PCT should equal time off. Meaning that after your PCT you should be on nothing for about 8 weeks.

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18 weeks on nothing. 12 week cycle + 2 weeks before pct + 4 weeks pct = 18

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Originally Posted by lovbyts

18 weeks on nothing. 12 week cycle + 2 weeks before pct + 4 weeks pct = 18

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The 1 got dropped by the spell checker on my phone some how.

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Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

The 1 got dropped by the spell checker on my phone some how.

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:) ....

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Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

Most ppl here recommend time on plus time on PCT should equal time off. Meaning that after your PCT you should be on nothing for about 8 weeks.

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So for 18 weeks I am on my own, how am I going to survive in my sex life? So better option is to decrease the dose and don't do PCT

Yes lvebyts : i went to GP doctors (2 of them) as well as physiologist