adding eq to a longer cycle?

[colorado75]

Curious of some opinions here.....goals here are cutting without loosing muscle....well, ideally gaining some muscle as well...I am currently 37, 5'11, 194, 10ish% BF....my goal is to get down to 184 with 5%ish BF....my diet will be in check and 'clean' during the cycle...even more so than it is usually.....anyhow, I am just about to start the following cycle (my 5th - note: I have run both tren A and Tren E before and much prefer Tren E....also, have run Mast and didnt like it):

Week 1-16: test testosterone cyp / 30 mg - M W F
Week 1-16: Test Prop / 50 mg - M W F
Week 1-8: trenbolone E / 160 mg - M W F
Week 1-16: Primo / 240 mg - M W F
Week 1-9: Caber / .5mg E3D
Week 1-16: 250iu HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - x 2/week
Week 1-16: Aromasin / 10mg M W F

I realize its probably more complicated that need be as I could most likely get the same results from injecting test cyp, tren, and primo 2x a week but I actually like the injecting as well as test prop....reason I am keeping cyp in the mix is bc I am on 120mg test cup/wk for TRT and dont want the rollercoaster after the cycle ends and waiting for cyp to get back in my system.

My question for is I am thinking about adding some EQ in the mix after I run the Tren. They say there is no point in running EQ for less than 14 weeks but I wonder about this. The reason for adding EQ would be primarily for enhanced cardio after Tren. My adjusted cycle would be:
Week 1-18: test testosterone cyp / 30 mg - M W F
Week 1-18: Test Prop / 50 mg - M W F
Week 1-8: trenbolone E / 160 mg - M W F
Week 1-16: Primo / 240 mg - M W F
Week 8-18: EQ / 200 mg - M W F (11 weeks total on EQ)
Week 1-9: Caber / .5mg E3D
Week 1-18: 250iu HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - x 2/week
Week 1-18: Aromasin / 10mg M W F

btw, my workout schedule for the 16-18 weeks will be as follows....most say I am an idiot for running gear with so much cardio and not enough weights but this is kind of an experiment as well. Im not a bodybuilder and I love being 'on' so I suppose I am treating myself here.

Monday: 30 min am run - empty stomach / PM Yoga Sculpt (intense yoga with weights)
Tuesday: AM Chest / PM Crossfit (plus possibly yoga - hot power fusion)
Wednesday: PM Bootcamp
Thursday: AM Bicepts and Back / PM Yoga Core Power 2
Friday: PM CrossFit
Saturday: Chest, shoulders, triceps
Sunday: Off or Yoga

Look forward to reading some thoughts/criticism/bashing etc. :-)

[MickeyKnox]

EQ will do little to assist you with your intended goals, especially in this cycle.

[redz]

First off are you competing? 5% is insanely low. 10% is awesome to be at already. Why run 2 different tests? better off to just run one. Why so many compounds? EQ would make no difference in this cycle and is worthless anyways other than making you more hungry. Too many compounds especially just for Yoga.

[wesh]

Truth is test and tren is all you need if used properly. Along with AI and a good pct ofcourse but i agree 5% bodyfat is to low if your not competing. Im assuming you are. Keeping your bf that low for too long is not good for your body or mind

[Gaspaco]

Why so complicated?!

Run prop with tren ace for 8weeks.


With AI and HCG on cycle and caber on hand youll have hell of a cycle!

Or cyp with primo 18weeks!

[MickeyKnox]

I just noticed the Prop in your cycle.

Why on earth did you include that?? Your Tren is a long ester and so is your primary Test (Cyp). I get the Primo for you goals, but lose the Prop and EQ bro - not necessary at all.

[Bonaparte]

You realize that 5-6% is where you'd want to be for a BBing show, right? You're not going to make it that low and keep it off for long (especially without losing a ton of muscle).

[colorado75]

EQ will do little to assist you with your intended goals, especially in this cycle.

thanks for your response - Gonna take your advice as well as others on this and scratch it.

[colorado75]

First off are you competing? 5% is insanely low. 10% is awesome to be at already. Why run 2 different tests? better off to just run one. Why so many compounds? EQ would make no difference in this cycle and is worthless anyways other than making you more hungry. Too many compounds especially just for Yoga.

Thanks for the reply - I am not competing...i just hate belly fat and love being lean....I was 4.5-5% for years when I was younger (most people's story) and was just looking to get back to this level to see if I could do it...Im thinking that 7% is more realistic though....2 different test: my TRT does is 120mg/week of test cyp and simply said, I have a ton of extra test prop so figured that I may as well run it instead of burning through the test cyp....while keeping test cyp in my system though for when I come off cycle....so many compounds: good point....I get way to caught up in the great feeling I get from juice and the different results produced by each. Gonna scratch the EQ like you are suggesting. However, 'Too many compounds especially just for Yoga.': good lord, this program is so not just yoga.....its hard as hell...lifting 3x per week...yoga 3x per week....bootcamp 1x per week....crossfit 2x per week....running 1x per week...where ya getting this 'just yoga' thing? ;-)

[colorado75]

Truth is test and tren is all you need if used properly. Along with AI and a good pct ofcourse but i agree 5% bodyfat is to low if your not competing. Im assuming you are. Keeping your bf that low for too long is not good for your body or mind

I have run tren and test a couple times now and loved it....had the extra primo and have been curious to give it a go as well to see what kind of extra benefits it will provide.....no competing here....just moderately obsessed...and I am going to shoot for 7% bodyfat....5% at my age would be nice to be at but I think you are correct. Thanks!

[colorado75]

Tried prop and tren ace before....wasnt a fan of tren ace....loved tren e though when I ran it....not sure why, but I had amazing results from 450-600 mg/week of tren e and not really that impressive results from tren a @ 600mg/week....what dosage do you recommend for an AI here? Also, you say caber on hand....a lot of what I read says to run caber from the get-go with Tren...why do you feel differently? I did not run any caber when doing tren e and had awesome results (bad night sweats and mild anxiety though) however did run caber with tren a and as I mentioned above, not so great results....(no anxiety and very little night sweats).

[colorado75]

I just noticed the Prop in your cycle.

Why on earth did you include that?? Your Tren is a long ester and so is your primary Test (Cyp). I get the Primo for you goals, but lose the Prop and EQ bro - not necessary at all.

scratching the EQ for sure...as for the test prop....I have the extra prop on hand and my trt dosage is 120/mg of test cyp...want to keep cyp in my system so no big roller coaster when I come off cycle but feel that the prop will spike my levels quicker on cycle and again, I have a ton of extra so want to burn through it. Dumb reasoning? I seem to still find a way of doing things incorrectly despite all the research I have done...on other forums, it seems that a lot of people combine their test....and isn't test sust a combo anyhow?

[colorado75]

You realize that 5-6% is where you'd want to be for a BBing show, right? You're not going to make it that low and keep it off for long (especially without losing a ton of muscle).

alas, you are most likely correct....i set lofty goals....so thanks for pointing out that I am not being so realistic....Im going to shoot for 7% and do what I can to stay around 7-8% after cycle....time shall tell...

[MickeyKnox]

scratching the EQ for sure...as for the test prop....I have the extra prop on hand and my trt dosage is 120/mg of test cyp...want to keep cyp in my system so no big roller coaster when I come off cycle but feel that the prop will spike my levels quicker on cycle and again, I have a ton of extra so want to burn through it. Dumb reasoning? I seem to still find a way of doing things incorrectly despite all the research I have done...on other forums, it seems that a lot of people combine their test....and isn't test sust a combo anyhow?

Ahhh ok. Thats not dumb at all. In fact, that's a great idea. I had originally thought you would be coming off cycle and transitioning into PCT.