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So for my next cycle I was looking at including winstrol. What confused me a bit is that mg for mg the injectable winny seems to be about 5x the price as oral. Is it so much more effective that its more expensive?
If those with experience could shed some light
aka "JOB"
It's not more effective enough to make up for 5X cost difference...just drink it!Originally Posted by ChiveOn
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Also the injection pain from winny will make you consider never injecting anything ever again. Brutal pain, knots and I coudln`t even walk right for days so no cardio or leg workouts. Injectable winny is useless for me.
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Very well then. Think ill stick to the orals haha
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Speaking for myself,,,they work very similar for me. In the end I get the same overall effect from both.
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Agreed drink it bro
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X2. No difference.
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Wussies. Inject it!
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Injection is much easier on your liver, oral winny is very liver toxic.
And you will get used to the pain, suck it up.
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Injectable Winstrol is just as toxic to the liver as the tablets. Inject, drink or take a tab and you have the same identical steroid with the same hepatotoxicity.
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You sure about that? Someone else chime in here. I'm pretty sure orals are much more liver toxic.
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Injectable winny still passes through the liver.
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Yes, they're the same hormone, both are C17-aa and function the same way.
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They are the same hormone but with injections it saves the second pass thus making it at least somewhat less toxic, I would guess half as much at least.
Read up, I just verified it.
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Here's a good little excerpt:
"Normally, when an oral drug is taken, it is shuttled directly to the liver in one lump dose. Whatever gets through the liver the first time will slowly be processed on subsequent passes. Transdermal application avoids this first ‘bolus’ dose to the liver. But I am hesitant to even ascribe an advantage to this type of use. Remember, injectable versions of oral steroids do the exact same thing— avoid the first pass. But we have plenty of documented evidence that a drug like injectable Winstrol can produce the same issues of high liver-toxicity as the oral. So while it may be a little better, I definitely warn against any false sense of health security. " William Llewelln - 2009
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AS far as injection pain I don't know what you guys have gotten. Since in the 80's I've not done any injectable Winstrol. Back when I was getting my Winstrol from a Vet/doc it was shipped straight to my house from the Pharm Co. I used ti for a few years from the same source and It never burned. I promise you it never burned. It was a water base white liquid and it was awesome stuff. Straight Pharmaceutical. I haven't seen now day injectable Winstrol. ...cm
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Agree!Wussies. Inject it!
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I also agree. Oh we (I) always did 100,mg EDWussies. Inject it!
aka "JOB"
I agree with Metel 100%...(ouch that hurt)
The biggest advantage to injecting winnie is that you gain a bit of bioavailabilty! Its easy enough to bump a dose to make up for the samll amount lost!
The other problem is that most inject winnie is in a water solution..because of this it makes it a breading ground for bacteria and greatly increases the risk of infection!
Most ppl also find inject winnie quite painful wo the bigger question is...why NOT drink it?
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You're right, injectable is a little more potent on a per mg basis but it's not by much... inconsequential IMO.I agree with Metel 100%...(ouch that hurt)
The biggest advantage to injecting winnie is that you gain a bit of bioavailabilty! Its easy enough to bump a dose to make up for the samll amount lost!
The other problem is that most inject winnie is in a water solution..because of this it makes it a breading ground for bacteria and greatly increases the risk of infection!
Most ppl also find inject winnie quite painful wo the bigger question is...why NOT drink it?
BTW, sorry about that pain I caused you
aka "JOB"
Out of curiousity...do you have an idea the potency difference? I assume it's about 60% bio oraly so 100mg would be liken to 60mg. This is a guess only.....You're right, injectable is a little more potent on a per mg basis but it's not by much... inconsequential IMO.
BTW, sorry about that pain I caused you
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I'm not sure but I think it's the same as its methylated it doesn't matter on the administration.
I may be wrong but I'm sure that's correct
aka "JOB"
Well...if we are talking about a water or oil inject and drinking vs pinning then I dont think it can me compared to a methylated. I open for debate as I have nothing to substantiate this...only my thoughts!
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Me too. I was thinking a 15-20 difference based off something marcus said once. I woukd like to know for sure.
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I knew I should have paid attention in science class...second pass through the liver? So your total blood volume just keeps getting re circulated, obviously. But in orals a chemical added prevents the total destruction of the pill, right so far? How does an aspirin, for example, differ? Or any generic over the counter med.
aka "JOB"
We are talking about a liquid injectable that, as an option, can be consumed oraly!
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The winny in suspensions (water), solutions (oil) and tablets (oral) is the same powder nothing is added or taken away its just the way it's delivered into the body that's different
aka "JOB"
But when you talk of methylated...doesnt that change things????
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The powder itself is methylated to pass the liver in oral form that's why it's had to get it to stay in solution without guiacol
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Depot is a little stronger but it's not a big difference. It should be negligible enough to produce the same results with either form. Off hand I can't remember what the difference is in specific numbers.
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Glad i seen this i was about to post...(not trying to hijack your post) but i have a few questions to add in about winny oral. Whats a typical cycle of it time frame? right now im on test e 500 a week and on week 6 of 12. i was going to wait till this was over then take a winny and tren or winny and anavar to cut and tighten up a little...question i had would be wait or add it in now to my cycle of test to get better results before it ends?
Thanks
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Always best to have a little test in their with any steroid you're using, at least a TRT dose or you'll likely end up in a low level state. If you continue steroid use yet drop all testosterone you most certainly will end up in a very low level state.
Typical Winstrol runs are 6-8wks. Some say it should never be run longer than 6wks because of the hepatotoxicity and while it is liver toxic its affect on this issue isn't as strong as many other oral steroids. Dianabol and Anadrol should both be more hepatotoxic and of course steroids like Halotestin.
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injectable is always gonna be more potent, and also less toxic liver.. so in the long run inject itand stop being little wimpys
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If it were just pain that'd be one thing but not being able to walk made it useless to inject for me.so in the long run inject it and stop being little wimpys
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you can always get mix blends that completly numbs the pain of winny injections, ^_^
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They're both liver toxic and any difference will be negligible. I'm not promoting one over the other, in the end it really doesn't matter which one you use. You can get the same identical results with either one. The positive and potential negative effects are the same with either one. If there's anything that might deserve attention on the negative front it would be the cardiovascular side effects of this steroid...far more potentially problematic than any liver issues.injectable is always gonna be more potent, and also less toxic liver.. so in the long run inject it
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cardiovascular side effect? umm.. which one? & I like my liver, and I like to keep it healthy, and the difference isn't just negligible... but I won't go in details on exactly how big the difference is.
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Winstrol has one of the strongest negative effects on cholesterol compared to most steroids. Most oral steroids have a significant negative impact but Winstrol's is stronger than most. More interesting is that the negative effect tends to continue for several weeks after use is discontinued, far longer than most oral steroids by suppressing HDL and increasing LDL cholesterol heavily.
As far as the liver issues, as said earlier both oral and injectable Winstrol are comprised of the same hormone and both forms are C17-aa. Once in the body both forms perform in the same way.
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I c, was just curious on the cardiovascular side effect, thank you
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Why won't you go into explaining why you believe the toxicity differences are so significant? Not being a jerk, just asking you to back up a claim.
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