Firsst Cycle question - Test E + EQ Cycle

[Nicky843]

Hey guys im 22 going on 23 , i started my first cycle would like to get some advice.

Stats
5'10
185 Pounds
13 Bodyfat
Diet is in check

Cycle duration 10 weeks
750 Test E / Weekly
900 EQ / Weekly

Mon
1cc EQ
1cc Test E

Tue
Arimidex Pill

Wed
1cc EQ
1cc Test E

Thur
Arimidex Pill

Fri
1cc EQ
1cc Test E

Sat
Arimidex

Sun
Nothing

If you going to say something about my age dont bother i know all the risks and what you say will not make me change my mind, im here to get educated like everybody else not to be told what to do.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Sounds to me like you really don't want any advice as much as you want a big "that a boy!" I'm out.

[Nicky843]

again if your not going to help why waste your time answering?

[OdinsOtherSon]

Pfff....the real question is why waste YOUR time asking?

[Hellhound1988]

how about a pct?

[Nicky843]

dont have anything in hand right now hcg would be good what are your thoughts? i can get it in a heartbeat

[Nicky843]

any help out there?

[Muscley midget]

No one will give there thoughts.... It's always good to have everything you need before starting you cycle just so nothing can go wrong... There are pretty big doses considering its your first cycle

[Back In Black]

He'll get plenty of thoughts, they might just not be what you want to hear.

Why 750mg test on your first cycle? You should run test only, there's no need for any other other compound for a couple if cycles at least.

You should have done your PCT homework and had it on hand before you started, whether its on tap or not.

If you want to get educated you should read the stickies, they would have answered all your questions before you jumped into this.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbi

[Nicky843]

thats the advice my boy gave me he said if i take arimidex every other day i will be ok lol guess not?

[Back In Black]

How long have you been on cycle?

[Nicky843]

a week honestly i know all the risks i am taking i am here for help not to be judged you know what i mean , would be good for someone to help me get through the cycle as safe as possible with the less chances of me being ****ed up for life i really appreciate it.

[Honkey_Kong]

Let's pretend you're 25 for sake of debate right now.... What purpose are you taking the EQ for? And why 750mg of test on your FIRST cycle? Tell me some of the research you've done before you started this..

[Back In Black]

If you are gonna do it anyway then just go with test e at 500mg per week, pin every 3.5 days. Run for 10-12 weeks. Whatever you have left will save for next time or you can sell. There is no need for equip.

Run your arimidex EOD.

Do you have access to clomid and nolva?

What are your goals?

[Nicky843]

yes i have access to nolva and clomid goals well id like to gain a clean 20 pounds

[Nicky843]

Let's pretend you're 25 for sake of debate right now.... What purpose are you taking the EQ for? And why 750mg of test on your FIRST cycle? Tell me some of the research you've done before you started this..

Honestly not much research i just followed my boys advice hes been juicing for quite a while and hes pretty fukin jacked up

[Honkey_Kong]

Honestly not much research i just followed my boys advice hes been juicing for quite a while and hes pretty fukin jacked up

Honestly, just because somebody is jacked and uses AAS, it doesn't mean they know their head from their asshole. That cycle he gave you is bad.

And you should never take a compound unless you know what it's effects are. And that doesn't just pertain to AAS, that's ANY drug even if a doctor gives you it. Now that we have Google, there is no excuse why you can't study the shit out of anything you're considering putting in your body.

Anyways, if you don't know what these compounds do and are just following what your friend says, how do you know what the risks are?

[Nicky843]

Honestly, just because somebody is jacked and uses AAS, it doesn't mean they know their head from their asshole. That cycle he gave you is bad.

And you should never take a compound unless you know what it's effects are. And that doesn't just pertain to AAS, that's ANY drug even if a doctor gives you it. Now that we have Google, there is no excuse why you can't study the shit out of anything you're considering putting in your body.

well im not stupid i know what test does and yes i read plenty of stories but everyone seems to have a different opinion so dont know what to believe

[The Titan99]

well im not stupid i know what test does and yes i read plenty of stories but everyone seems to have a different opinion so dont know what to believe

Well, everything you've said so far would indicate that you are indeed stupid. Your not listening to anything anybody's saying. Your doing too much Test, you don't even know what PCT is, "HCG would be good" (what are you even trying to say here?), for PCT? You know all the risks because you've read plenty of stories.
No offense man, but this is like watching an obnoxious 13 year old playground blowhard playing with a razor blade. You know what's going to happen and you kind of look forward to it.

I couldn't imagine going on a forum and saying "You have to help me before I fvck myself up for life." Unbelievable...

[Muscley midget]

^^^^ lol

[Honkey_Kong]

well im not stupid i know what test does and yes i read plenty of stories but everyone seems to have a different opinion so dont know what to believe

I'm willing to bet you don't know much about it. You definitely don't know shit about dosing it.

If you're not stupid, you'd stop your cycle right now and take Marcus's advice.

[ma_fighter]

Being big and jacked doesent mean you know d!ck about the proper SAFE use of AAS. And that is what this board is about, safe use of AAS, not abuse.

You are dead set on running a cycle, fine that is your decision to make, but you should at least minimize the risk of having lifelong complications.
To do so, I recommend the following:


#1 Drop the EQ, it wont do you any good at this point, save it for later. Right now all it will do for you is skyrocket your blood pressure.
And even if you were at a point in time where adding EQ would be beneficial, it really needs to be run at a 14-16 week cycle for those benefits to show.

#2 Drop the dosage of the test to 500 mg/ week, split into two injections E3.5 days. Regard this first week as frontloading to get the levels up quicker. 10-12 weeks total.

#3 Run Arimidex at 0.25mg EOD

#4 Nolva and Clomid for PCT for 4 weeks, daily dosage per week as follows: Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 75(or 50)/50/50/50, Wait 2 weeks from your last shot of test before starting PCT


One of the reasons for doing Test only as your first cycle is: It works really well, you do not need to add anything else so why waste your money and health?

Another is that it gives you more control, if you're experiencing sides, and are taking 4-5 different things, how do you know which compound is doing what? Doing a Test only cycle gives you a baseline of how you react, and of what to expect. If you feel the need to add more things in later cycles, you will know what those compounds accomplished, instead of guessing.

And of course the increased risks to damaging your HPTA, especially at a young age, when doing larger doses of more compounds.


I hope you listen to Marcus, or at least Back in Black or me.
The collective knowledge of the people on this board is unmatched, you would do yourself a disservice by not listening.

Good Luck, and hope you come out of this ok
/Maf

[Nicky843]

Being big and jacked doesent mean you know d!ck about the proper SAFE use of AAS. And that is what this board is about, safe use of AAS, not abuse.

You are dead set on running a cycle, fine that is your decision to make, but you should at least minimize the risk of having lifelong complications.
To do so, I recommend the following:


#1 Drop the EQ, it wont do you any good at this point, save it for later. Right now all it will do for you is skyrocket your blood pressure.
And even if you were at a point in time where adding EQ would be beneficial, it really needs to be run at a 14-16 week cycle for those benefits to show.

#2 Drop the dosage of the test to 500 mg/ week, split into two injections E3.5 days. Regard this first week as frontloading to get the levels up quicker. 10-12 weeks total.

#3 Run Arimidex at 0.25mg EOD

#4 Nolva and Clomid for PCT for 4 weeks, daily dosage per week as follows: Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 75(or 50)/50/50/50, Wait 2 weeks from your last shot of test before starting PCT


One of the reasons for doing Test only as your first cycle is: It works really well, you do not need to add anything else so why waste your money and health?

Another is that it gives you more control, if you're experiencing sides, and are taking 4-5 different things, how do you know which compound is doing what? Doing a Test only cycle gives you a baseline of how you react, and of what to expect. If you feel the need to add more things in later cycles, you will know what those compounds accomplished, instead of guessing.

And of course the increased risks to damaging your HPTA, especially at a young age, when doing larger doses of more compounds.


I hope you listen to Marcus, or at least Back in Black or me.
The collective knowledge of the people on this board is unmatched, you would do yourself a disservice by not listening.

Good Luck, and hope you come out of this ok
/Maf

Amen thats all i needed to hear thank you bud.

[MickeyKnox]

a week honestly i know all the risks i am taking i am here for help not to be judged you know what i mean , would be good for someone to help me get through the cycle as safe as possible with the less chances of me being ****ed up for life i really appreciate it.

The most safest thing would be to abort this cycle.

Honestly not much research i just followed my boys advice hes been juicing for quite a while and hes pretty fukin jacked up

This will likely sum up the answers to your post cycle questions that you will invariably will have.

Well, everything you've said so far would indicate that you are indeed stupid. Your not listening to anything anybody's saying. Your doing too much Test, you don't even know what PCT is, "HCG would be good" (what are you even trying to say here?), for PCT? You know all the risks because you've read plenty of stories.
No offense man, but this is like watching an obnoxious 13 year old playground blowhard playing with a razor blade. You know what's going to happen and you kind of look forward to it.

I couldn't imagine going on a forum and saying "You have to help me before I fvck myself up for life." Unbelievable...

X100 ^^

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behavior of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwork drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbie

This is what i would be paying particular attention too, if i were you. ^^


But, you've made up your mind and begun. I wish you the best of luck and hope you're successful and finish unscathed.

[songdog]

Well, everything you've said so far would indicate that you are indeed stupid. Your not listening to anything anybody's saying. Your doing too much Test, you don't even know what PCT is, "HCG would be good" (what are you even trying to say here?), for PCT? You know all the risks because you've read plenty of stories.
No offense man, but this is like watching an obnoxious 13 year old playground blowhard playing with a razor blade. You know what's going to happen and you kind of look forward to it.

I couldn't imagine going on a forum and saying "You have to help me before I fvck myself up for life." Unbelievable...

X2 sad to say.

[CaiZier]

OP- I have some perspective on this as my first cycle was TEST and EQ. Granted i was 29 when i first cycled and i had my test at 500/wk. Even though i did EQ myself, I agree with most everything stated above. I LOVED EQ- BUT... I did not feel it kick in until about week 8 and I was dosing 600mg/wk. And by then my blood pressure was THROUGH THE ROOF. If you know much about blood pressures mine was 160/105. This is considered stage two hypertension- Recommendation... get your ass into a hospital before you stroke out. It just wasn't worth the strength i saw from it, and it needs to be run for 14-16 weeks. That's too much for a first cycle. I would not do it the same again. Yes- 750 is very high TEST especially for someone of your young age. I would venture based on your avatar picture (natural as this is your first cycle) you have relatively high test already. With your physique and determination 500mg/wk of TEST and nothing else will have your BRO wondering what he is doing wrong. I am sure of that. Good luck buddy- and remember a wise man always listens more that he talks!!

[Iron-56]

Why even include your age then? Not going to act hypocritical and tell you what you're doing is stupid because I started much younger.

Cycle is completely off. Drop the eq. When you get really bad sides how will you know what is causing them? If I would have included deca in my first cycle I would not have found out that my body reacts very bad to it and would not have cycled again. And you are injecting too much test. keep it at 500mg a week and bump it up to 12 weeks.

What is the concentration of the Arimidex pills? 1mg/tab? You should be taking .25-.5 mg EOD. Look into HCG and get you PCT before starting.

I would think twice about this but nevertheless, good luck...

[Nicky843]

Why even include your age then? Not going to act hypocritical and tell you what you're doing is stupid because I started much younger.

Cycle is completely off. Drop the eq. When you get really bad sides how will you know what is causing them? If I would have included deca in my first cycle I would not have found out that my body reacts very bad to it and would not have cycled again. And you are injecting too much test. keep it at 500mg a week and bump it up to 12 weeks.

What is the concentration of the Arimidex pills? 1mg/tab? You should be taking .25-.5 mg EOD. Look into HCG and get you PCT before starting.

I would think twice about this but nevertheless, good luck...

i stopped eq i was only 2 shots in , new cycle looks like this.

500mg / Test
2x Week every 3.5 days
12 Weeks

Arimidex 1x EOD

Got me some clomid and nolva

[Gaspaco]

Smart choice!

Do your adex 0.25mg eod.

PCT 14 days after last test shot!

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

[Nicky843]

i have heard so many dif pct theories dont know what to go with any other opinions?

[The Titan99]

PCT isn't an opinion. It is determined by compounds used, length of cycle, doses, use of HCG and AI. BTW, EQ is garbage!!!

[austinite]

Good to see you around Titan