I don't understand the steroid community?

[Gazzaahh]

I think it's great that the community on this site tell users they need to be at-lease 25 to take steroids.

What you guys don't understand is that for some young people you can't change there mind. It's already made up, they will take steroids weather you tell them not to or not.

Surely it would be beneficial to have a sticky for under 25's and what cycles are best for them.

I believe that YES it's important to tell teenagers the dangers of steroids but also give the best advice possible to the ones that do decide to use them and their mind is already made up.

Anyone agree?? :-)

[redz]

Anyone agree?? :-)

nope.

[Rv8G30]

Nope. If someone "made their mind up" about blowing their brains out but didnt know how to operate a gun, would you be the one to teach them how? Maybe a little extreme but your talking about a pretty good chance of helping someone permanently **** themselves up. I wouldnt be part of that.

[fit2bOld]

There is enough information in this site if you use the search feature and read the information. Anyone could cycle safely. Problem is people are lazy and just post questions looking for answers without taking personal responsibility. A person under 25 could find all the info they need.
There are some members under 25 that are educated and do not use.

[Papa-pwn]

Yep, agree wholeheartedly. The general majority of this board chooses to not be helpful at times, and that does much more harm than any AAS ever will. Because you'll have a young kid who wasn't looking for whether or not he should cycle, but how to do it correctly and efficiently. He'll come with questions only to be told not to do it at all. He's not going to listen to that, he's going to do it anyway, and without the advice of experienced users, he may do it very wrong.

Then there are those like me, who already had a decent knowledge of AAS before joining all the boards, and started juicing at 19. What a lot of the old men here don't realize is, to be successful in bodybuilding, to have any hope of turning pro before your prime has passed, one almost needs to start before 25.

[austinite]

I think it's great that the community on this site tell users they need to be at-lease 25 to take steroids.

What you guys don't understand is that for some young people you can't change there mind. It's already made up, they will take steroids weather you tell them not to or not.

Surely it would be beneficial to have a sticky for under 25's and what cycles are best for them.

I believe that YES it's important to tell teenagers the dangers of steroids but also give the best advice possible to the ones that do decide to use them and their mind is already made up.

Anyone agree?? :-)

We do this already. We don't want to deter anyone. We welcome everyone over 18 to the community. Otherwise we would only allow over 25 if what you're saying is true. Everyone provides info as they see fit, and the members can make more informed decisions. Everyone gets advice, especially those who have already started their cycles. So I'm not sure where this stems from. There are plenty of links and research material. The problem isn't an age thing, it's the laziness and lack of research. Most new members expect magic to happen and want to go from a stick figure to Jay Cutler in 24 hours. This is the biggest problem, not age. Most young users refuse to believe that diet has everything to do with their gains. It's not easy convincing an 18 year old - understandably of course. I was pretty stubborn at 18 myself.

Welcome aboard by the way. This thread belongs in the lounge area.

[Papa-pwn]

Nope. If someone "made their mind up" about blowing their brains out but didnt know how to operate a gun, would you be the one to teach them how? Maybe a little extreme but your talking about a pretty good chance of helping someone permanently **** themselves up. I wouldnt be part of that.

Horrible analogy and additude.

[redz]

Yep, agree wholeheartedly. The general majority of this board chooses to not be helpful at times, and that does much more harm than any AAS ever will. Because you'll have a young kid who wasn't looking for whether or not he should cycle, but how to do it correctly and efficiently. He'll come with questions only to be told not to do it at all. He's not going to listen to that, he's going to do it anyway, and without the advice of experienced users, he may do it very wrong.

Then there are those like me, who already had a decent knowledge of AAS before joining all the boards, and started juicing at 19. What a lot of the old men here don't realize is, to be successful in bodybuilding, to have any hope of turning pro before your prime has passed, one almost needs to start before 25.

You are wrong outright. Making it seem ok and helping will make more people go and screw themselves up. Not many people are aspiring to go pro so I don`t buy your rant.

[canesfan804]

I understand your logic but if THEY are that dead set on doing AAS there is soooooo much info in the stickies for them to figure it out. A first cycle is pretty basic once you put a little time in to learn. They should learn about the substance they will be putting inside their body. You wouldnt start a career path without some research first would you?

[The Bear 79]

If he's gonna fvck himself up, he's not gonna do it under my condoning & advice.

[ChiveOn]

You're entirely wrong. Not only can any moron read stickeys and old threads and put together a good cycle, but they don't even have to ask a single question or join. If you don't like being flamed for being young then don't ask and actually put some damn work into figuring it out yourself.
I will NOT help anyone hurt themselves whether it be in the short run or the long run.

[ChiveOn]

All of the information is already on the board asked 100x in 75 different ways.... Including why it can mess you up if you start too young. If you want to potentially hurt your health. That's on you not me

[Buster Brown]

I think it's great that the community on this site tell users they need to be at-lease 25 to take steroids.

What you guys don't understand is that for some young people you can't change there mind. It's already made up, they will take steroids weather you tell them not to or not.

Surely it would be beneficial to have a sticky for under 25's and what cycles are best for them.

I believe that YES it's important to tell teenagers the dangers of steroids but also give the best advice possible to the ones that do decide to use them and their mind is already made up.

Anyone agree?? :-)

There is a reason why the young are told not to juice at an early age, they just don't want to hear it and with most of the youngs "I'm entitled to everything" mindset they feel everyone needs to bend over backwards to help them. Do your homework and read what many have taken the time to write so you can make better decisions.

[MickeyKnox]

I think it's great that the community on this site tell users they need to be at-lease 25 to take steroids.

What you guys don't understand is that for some young people you can't change there mind. It's already made up, they will take steroids weather you tell them not to or not.

Surely it would be beneficial to have a sticky for under 25's and what cycles are best for them.

I believe that YES it's important to tell teenagers the dangers of steroids but also give the best advice possible to the ones that do decide to use them and their mind is already made up.

Anyone agree?? :-)

Not even close.

First and foremost, if we adapted that type of attitude imagine the serious medical issues most, if not all, of the young men who want to introduce AAS into their young and developing systems that would invariably develop??

And then imagine the back lash this website would endure, all because of the callous and cavalier attitude we took upon ourselves because of the pressure from young men like yourself and PapaPawn here. Not on my watch.

Sorry but i, and many others, have turned around enough young men with simple facts and logic that i will continue to represent the caring and helpful individuals on this site that promote the healthy and responsible use of AAS.

Safety first. Otherwise, you're shaking hands with danger.

[stpete]

We can only advise as to what's in their best interest. If they decide to use then fine, it's their body. And we have helped many, many young men that decided to start early w/their cycle and PCT.

[anahny]

Regardless to rather they will listen or not, there are tons of threads related to every subject involving aas. They can find answers to all their questions without asking anyone. But the problem with the youth, they don't like to read.

[evander87]

There is enough information in this site if you use the search feature and read the information. Anyone could cycle safely. Problem is people are lazy and just post questions looking for answers without taking personal responsibility. A person under 25 could find all the info they need.
There are some members under 25 that are educated and do not use.

You're entirely wrong. Not only can any moron read stickeys and old threads and put together a good cycle, but they don't even have to ask a single question or join. If you don't like being flamed for being young then don't ask and actually put some damn work into figuring it out yourself.
I will NOT help anyone hurt themselves whether it be in the short run or the long run.

All of the information is already on the board asked 100x in 75 different ways.... Including why it can mess you up if you start too young. If you want to potentially hurt your health. That's on you not me

There is a reason why the young are told not to juice at an early age, they just don't want to hear it and with most of the youngs "I'm entitled to everything" mindset they feel everyone needs to bend over backwards to help them. Do your homework and read what many have taken the time to write so you can make better decisions.

Regardless to rather they will listen or not, there are tons of threads related to every subject involving aas. They can find answers to all their questions without asking anyone. But the problem with the youth, they don't like to read.

It's all right on this site as it is. Just too many lazy people want it laid out for them. If they can't even do basic research on a serious matter how are we to assume they are dedicated enough to do what it takes to get the most out of a cycle? Besides the question is asked almost daily in here and it gets annoying. Ever listen to a scratched record??

[Bio-Active]

It's all right on this site as it is. Just too many lazy people want it laid out for them. If they can't even do basic research on a serious matter how are we to assume they are dedicated enough to do what it takes to get the most out of a cycle? Besides the question is asked almost daily in here and it gets annoying. Ever listen to a scratched record??

Exactly this board is about giving good advice and advising youngsters would just not be right. There is no good cycle for a person that's endocrine system is not fully developed

[marcus300]

I give my opinion based of the individuals stats and experience, if he doesn't agree with my advice and is going to do it anyway why would that make me change my mind. In my opinion there wouldn't a safe way to cycle at 18yrs old and I wouldn't change my mind because some kid wont listen to me. Normally the youngster hasn't a clue how to train correctly or eat and he wants to take steroids because he thinks this will get him big WRONG!!.

They come here to ask for advice from experienced userbecausese they haven't a clue what to do and you want us to roll over and drop our morals and opinions in the bin because they wont listen, not me but I am sure some other younger members would help them. lol

[blacktoppete]

Wish i had you guys to turn to when i was 16. I trained with a older crowd that were all using and competing. I also started using and abusing at a young age thanks to the peer pressure and wanting to succeed in powerlifting. We are talking almost 30yrs ago.

[songdog]

I think it's great that the community on this site tell users they need to be at-lease 25 to take steroids.

What you guys don't understand is that for some young people you can't change there mind. It's already made up, they will take steroids weather you tell them not to or not.

Surely it would be beneficial to have a sticky for under 25's and what cycles are best for them.

I believe that YES it's important to tell teenagers the dangers of steroids but also give the best advice possible to the ones that do decide to use them and their mind is already made up.

Anyone agree?? :-)

REALLY did you come up with this all by yourself or did you have help.LOL just busting on you.Yes 1st we try to steer them in another direction.But if that dont work.A few guys will offer advice so the guy dont mess himself up.But evern then you got kids who know everything.Thats when we cant help.

[>Good Luck<]

REALLY did you come up with this all by yourself or did you have help.LOL just busting on you.Yes 1st we try to steer them in another direction.But if that dont work.A few guys will offer advice so the guy dont mess himself up.But evern then you got kids who know everything.Thats when we cant help.

Hey sd, I think they should make a " beating a dead horse" icon for you lol

[crazy mike]

If he's gonna fvck himself up, he's not gonna do it under my condoning & advice.

Ok my 2 cents. Most of the guys I've gotten to know on here have about said the same thing and I agree with them. So there is so much info out on here they can research and put it together. S I will just be simple and go with what "Bear: said. "not with my condoning advice" ...crazy mike

[Papa Smurf]

There once was a GREAT member on this site (RTP) whos handle was educate before you medicate!!

Most of the childern that come on this site have already medicated themselves, and they want us to tell them everythings gonna be ok................

Its NOT ok, and I want be apart of it.........................

[warmouth]

If anyone under 25 wants to use, he has the same information that anyone over 25 has. All of the information is here, in plain sight. It goes to show age when they are unwilling to even try to research and get an idea for what he or she is doing.
Heck, just the other day I helped advise a 23 year old. If a person has the maturity to understand what they are doing and are willing to read information on the compounds, I have no problem helping where I can. Its more about maturity and knowledge than being 25 for me. I do think there is an age that is too young, but there is also a maturity level that exists. I have seen many people on her e in their 30s that I wouldnt advise. Its posted all the time. "I'm thinking of trying deca 300. I don't want to mess myself up."
So, all the info is here for anyone of any age. All they have to do is look.

[EriCody]

I am under 25 and I use. The members on this forum only help, you and they are just trying to look out for your health. They won't help, make up cycles that could hurt you further on in life.. But if you have a question that deals with helping you, but not cycle instructions, I have found everyone to be very insightful

[RoadToHuge]

tuff love for our younger brothers..


As it should be. Life is long.. No need to be rash.. Patience...

[Times Roman]

I think it's great that the community on this site tell users they need to be at-lease 25 to take steroids.

What you guys don't understand is that for some young people you can't change there mind. It's already made up, they will take steroids weather you tell them not to or not.

Surely it would be beneficial to have a sticky for under 25's and what cycles are best for them.

I believe that YES it's important to tell teenagers the dangers of steroids but also give the best advice possible to the ones that do decide to use them and their mind is already made up.

Anyone agree?? :-)

disagree mate.

youth and steroids is a mix most of us do not condone, and it contradicts one of the basic tenants we preach, and that is the "safe and intelligent use of steroids".

we live in a free society, and this is certainly a public board. But just because this is the largest steriod board in the world, doesn't mean we are going to encourage every one use steroids. Quite opposite in fact. Our community continually gets a bad reputation due to those that abuse steroids, take much too young, and also violate sports/drug protocols.

Instead, if we educated ourselves, waited until our bodies were fully developed, and then only used sparingly to bust through plateaus, I think the negative rep we have would largely go away.

But since I've been here the last few years, I've seen countless kids complain in threads they took steroids too young and now they have old man's disease (limp dik, no desire to fuk their woman, etc). The reality is not only are kids hormonal systems ready for steroids, neither are their brains. They make real stupid decisions, and then bitch when things don't turn out right. So, in response to this, 100% of the time, I will tell newbs in their mid twenties not to take steriods. Period. I don't care if they say they are going to take regardless what I say.

[MuscleInk]

My views are aligned with our distinguished vets and experienced members so I won't regurgitate what has already been stated completely and eloquently.

Road to Huge makes a great observation. I think many (not all) younger members have misperceptions about steroids. They see the hulking beasts endorsing products in body building mags and quickly assume that sticking steroids into your body will transform you from geek to god over night. We (on the forum) emphasize the importance of nutrition, training, and rest BEFORE steroids become an option and often it seems as though the advice is glossed over. In the absence of a strong commitment to diet and exercise, the majority of us understand how futile (and dangerous) steroids will be, if not immediately but down the road. Add to this the lack of emotional and mental maturity among some guys to handle the highs and lows that come from cycling and it can be a hard and dangerous lesson for some.

[iSwanson]

I posted a preview of a cycle I was going to run, but because of my age I was encouraged and rightfully so to wait. I was still given the most general advice about my cycle. After reading for just the last 2-3 months on this site all the sticky's and random posts, I realize that I was nowhere near ready to juice. I feel that I know the how, what, and why of most common compounds seen in most cycles and why you NEED certain ancillaries (AI, HCG, Nolva, Clomid, etc.) I'm really happy that the members of this site didn't tell me to just go for it with the most basic info. My I still go on a cycle soon even though I'm not quite 25? Possibly. But I will know what each and every compound will be doing to my body on a cellular level.

SO TO EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HELPED ME AND POINTED ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, I THANK YOU

[TheClinch]

Not even close.

First and foremost, if we adapted that type of attitude imagine the serious medical issues most, if not all, of the young men who want to introduce AAS into their young and developing systems that would invariably develop??

And then imagine the back lash this website would endure, all because of the callous and cavalier attitude we took upon ourselves because of the pressure from young men like yourself and PapaPawn here. Not on my watch.

Sorry but i, and many others, have turned around enough young men with simple facts and logic that i will continue to represent the caring and helpful individuals on this site that promote the healthy and responsible use of AAS.

Safety first. Otherwise, you're shaking hands with danger.

Excellent post

[sixfootseven]

Yes, you obviously do not understand this community.

[human project]

I think it's great that the community on this site tell users they need to be at-lease 25 to take steroids.

What you guys don't understand is that for some young people you can't change there mind. It's already made up, they will take steroids weather you tell them not to or not.

Surely it would be beneficial to have a sticky for under 25's and what cycles are best for them.

I believe that YES it's important to tell teenagers the dangers of steroids but also give the best advice possible to the ones that do decide to use them and their mind is already made up.

Anyone agree?? :-)

I agree.... I was going to start roids one way or another... I wish I woildent of started with the cycle I did... Although I wish I would of just stayed natural bc it would be soooo much easier to compete in a natural now but that's not the point... There needs to be littérateur on everything... You shouldent keep knowledge from kids about steroids just bc you don't agree they take them.... If I would of started on a var only cycle or var and proviron I might of grown even taller or wider... I doubt my growth plates were fuzed when I started cycling but I'm sure tren and test fixed that...

[human project]

Nope. If someone "made their mind up" about blowing their brains out but didnt know how to operate a gun, would you be the one to teach them how? Maybe a little extreme but your talking about a pretty good chance of helping someone permanently **** themselves up. I wouldnt be part of that.

I swear my gf always argues by making analogies that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.... I never understand how that helps argue your point. A gun in your mouth will never make you ripped or tan but a needle might.... Lol maybe when someone wants to kill themself we should take the gun out of there hand and in its place put a needle full of test and melano tan... Tell em wait a week and you won't want to die... Life will rock!!!!!!

[human project]

There is enough information in this site if you use the search feature and read the information. Anyone could cycle safely. Problem is people are lazy and just post questions looking for answers without taking personal responsibility. A person under 25 could find all the info they need.
There are some members under 25 that are educated and do not use.

So if your under 25 and decide to use aas your under educated???? What degrees and education have you received with your "old" age?? You've taken jabs at me before for taking steroids so sorry if I took that a little personal....

[human project]

Yep, agree wholeheartedly. The general majority of this board chooses to not be helpful at times, and that does much more harm than any AAS ever will. Because you'll have a young kid who wasn't looking for whether or not he should cycle, but how to do it correctly and efficiently. He'll come with questions only to be told not to do it at all. He's not going to listen to that, he's going to do it anyway, and without the advice of experienced users, he may do it very wrong.

Then there are those like me, who already had a decent knowledge of AAS before joining all the boards, and started juicing at 19. What a lot of the old men here don't realize is, to be successful in bodybuilding, to have any hope of turning pro before your prime has passed, one almost needs to start before 25.

Exactly!!!!!! I hope to turn pro in the next couple years and maybe I shouldent of started as young as I did or most defiantly not the cycle I did but without the cycle experience and the 50-60lb of solid muscle steroids has put on me in the last few years I would never have a chance... I'm afraid I'm getting to old as it is and I'm 24....

[human project]

You are wrong outright. Making it seem ok and helping will make more people go and screw themselves up. Not many people are aspiring to go pro so I don`t buy your rant.

Why do you care what someone else does or injects in there body?? Or even care if some random person you've never met before and don't know blows his head off???.... Who are you or anyone to say what someone else "SHOUlD or SHOULDENT" do..... Steroids have given me many things I would of never had... Probably kept me from blowing my head off.. Defiantly kept me from od'ing on the drugs i was on... When i started steroids it kept me in the gym ad off the streets. Got me off a lot of drugs that were wayyyyyy worse... I would of never stopped the lifestyle I lived unless I saw a way to feed my addictions in a positive way... Not just aas either the addiction of bodybuilding, dieting, working out... I've seen it save tons of people's lives who were severe addicts...

[human project]

If he's gonna fvck himself up, he's not gonna do it under my condoning & advice.

My man... Lol you always crack me up with your one liners

[human project]

Exactly this board is about giving good advice and advising youngsters would just not be right. There is no good cycle for a person that's endocrine system is not fully developed

I ask basic questions all the time and I spend all day ever day researching... Sometimes I forget or don't fully understand what exactly I'm reading not to mention there is always so much different advice and so many places and ppl giving it.. I just think there should be a thread that states heather choices of steroids.. Many steroids barely affect your hpta and many do not even affect growth plates which are the biggest issues with aas use..... They give anavar to 7 year olds who already have growth deficiency that being said I've herd of anadrol given to kids who are in starving countries and get 10g of protein a week... Now anadrol will probably affect growth plates but those kids have more to worry about then height but I hope that explains my point

[human project]

Edit I read the post wrong