First cycle *Anavar*

**Drank** · 03-04-2013, 09:04 PM

Well after a lot of deliberation I think I have settled on running Anavar alone something like 40 mg qd x 7 weeks followed by a pct. First off my stats, 30 m, 6'5, around 250 lbs. athletic build with a little bit more around the abdominal area then I would ideally like. Been working out off and on for the last 5 years, been going hard for the last 8 months. Not the biggest cardio freak but plan on doing 2 days a week mod intensity while on cycle. Will lift 4 days. Was wondering what experiences others have had with Var alone, any recs for a pct, and or supplements/vits while on cycle. Looking forward to responses from vets and passer throughs alike...

Drank

**austinite** · 03-04-2013, 09:09 PM

Welcome, Drank.

Where did you get the idea that var alone is a good idea? Either way, especially at your size, you'll feel baby aspirin before you felt anything from 40mg of var.

**Drank** · 03-04-2013, 09:10 PM

I should also say my primary goals are to get cut up while adding a small amount of hard muscle and strength. I'm going into this knowing Var isn't a wonder drug and is relatively mild compared to other aas.

**austinite** · 03-04-2013, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Drank

I should also say my primary goals are to get cut up while adding a small amount of hard muscle and strength. I'm going into this knowing Var isn't a wonder drug and is relatively mild compared to other aas.

Whats your body fat percentage? Your protocol will do absolutely nothing for you.

**Drank** · 03-04-2013, 09:16 PM

Around 15-16% at last check in late November, it is slightly lower now. What would you recommend for someone my size and age for an "initial cycle". The thing I'm finding is many of the posts talking about "first cycles" involve 22 year old kids who weight 185 lbs.

**TheClinch** · 03-04-2013, 09:17 PM

Hi welcome to the forum.

An oral only steroid cycle is not advised because all steroids including Anavar are suppresive to your natural testosterone production. This will leave you after time feeling the side effects of a testosterone free body...not desirable. Have a look through the stickies in this forum and you will learn why this can be such a problem.

Forget what your friends may have told you the guys on this forum have heard it all. Bloodwork results have proven that Anavar is suppressive after time.

I apologize for not having a bloodwork result to back my claim but I anticipate other members will help to verify this fact.

A PCT protocol for Anavar I personally would use would include both Clomid and Nolvadex .

75/50/50/50
And
40/20/20/20
Respectively.

Eating healthy and knowing your diet's macro nutrient count will be extremely valuable for your goals. Check out the nutrition forum here and post up your diet with full stats and desired results. The guys and gals there can help immensely.

Please read as much as you can about what you plan to use in your cycle.

Stolen quote : "educate before you medicate"

**TheClinch** · 03-04-2013, 09:18 PM

Sorry Austinite...I was typing so long I missed all that...

**Drank** · 03-04-2013, 09:26 PM

I do appreciate the replies and yes as I'm sure you've all heard before I have many friends who have done multiple cycles and the common thing that they keep saying is "just do 6-8 weeks on Anavar and see how you do/like it then expand". The last thing I want to be doing though is messing with my blood levels and long term health though especially while being "uneducated"

**ChiveOn** · 03-04-2013, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

Hi welcome to the forum.

An oral only steroid cycle is not advised because all steroids including Anavar are suppresive to your natural testosterone production. This will leave you after time feeling the side effects of a testosterone free body...not desirable. Have a look through the stickies in this forum and you will learn why this can be such a problem.

Forget what your friends may have told you the guys on this forum have heard it all. Bloodwork results have proven that Anavar is suppressive after time.

I apologize for not having a bloodwork result to back my claim but I anticipate other members will help to verify this fact.

A PCT protocol for Anavar I personally would use would include both Clomid and Nolvadex .

75/50/50/50
And
40/20/20/20
Respectively.

Eating healthy and knowing your diet's macro nutrient count will be extremely valuable for your goals. Check out the nutrition forum here and post up your diet with full stats and desired results. The guys and gals there can help immensely.

Please read as much as you can about what you plan to use in your cycle.

Stolen quote : "educate before you medicate"

This pretty much hit the nail on the head. If you do use and at you could mess up your levels anyway so your point doesn't really make sense. I wouldn't recommend any cycle without test as a base.
Do your research and look into something smarter and worth your money

**austinite** · 03-04-2013, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

Sorry Austinite...I was typing so long I missed all that...

no worries. you got it covered nicely.

**Wes201** · 03-04-2013, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Drank

I should also say my primary goals are to get cut up while adding a small amount of hard muscle and strength. I'm going into this knowing Var isn't a wonder drug and is relatively mild compared to other aas.

40mg is wasting it! Var will definatly help you significantly with cutting up and adding a little muscle at the same time as long as you are eating right and training right...But you definatly need to double that dose and run it with test! not solo!.......Be sure you know what you doing before you begin. I.E. how to run a proper pct, what an ai is and wht and when you need to run it, also need to learn about hcg and how to run that.....

**songdog** · 03-04-2013, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Drank

I should also say my primary goals are to get cut up while adding a small amount of hard muscle and strength. I'm going into this knowing Var isn't a wonder drug and is relatively mild compared to other aas.

Not with this routine you wont! You dont need aas you need a good diet and CARDIO! and more than 2 dayz.AAS isnt a diet aid and it wont work mircles.You need to work your ash off.Good luck.

**MuscleInk** · 03-04-2013, 10:26 PM

Anavar is NOT as mild as you think. Too many people wrongly assume that. True, its not trenbelone, but its not harmless.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UTVzit69Kc0

**gymfu** · 03-04-2013, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Not with this routine you wont! You dont need aas you need a good diet and CARDIO! and more than 2 dayz.AAS isnt a diet aid and it wont work mircles.You need to work your ash off.Good luck.

Uh yea 4 days of weights and 2 days of cardio. No where near enough man. Up your weight training days to at least 5 and cardio to 4. Might need more. When I'm on contest prep (extreme cutting) I'm weight training 6 days with post weights cardio 5 days and am cardio 6 days.

And you will get nowhere without working on your diet. Use the diet section here to learn how to cut.

And at 30 I would strongly recommend some bloodwork. Have you ever used any prohormones?

**Drank** · 03-05-2013, 07:53 AM

I've had bloodwork within the last year at a yearly physical and everything was fine at that time (within normal limits). I do agree that my diet needs to be much better and since last night I've been reading a ton of the threads over in the diet section. But to answer the last question, no I have never run a pro-hormone. Is this something that you guys would
Suggest and if so what is recommended with my size and goals in mind? I have decided to at least hold off on the Var only and will save my bottle. After reading these comments and looking at more information on the forum I will at least wait and run it with a Test maybe closer to the summer as my diet improves and I become more educated. I appreciate all
The help and lack of snarky comments which have become common place on most forums (bodybuilding related or not).

Drank

**emp** · 03-05-2013, 09:27 AM

its fun to read on a new forum, where things and opinions are quite different

i think im better off not telling u my story and experiences with anavar , as it differs quite a lot from whats being said here...

ofc test is better, and var with test is better than var only. but ull also need a lot more of everything(AI, PCT, hCG , etc).

var only man....

**TheClinch** · 03-05-2013, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Drank

I've had bloodwork within the last year at a yearly physical and everything was fine at that time (within normal limits). I do agree that my diet needs to be much better and since last night I've been reading a ton of the threads over in the diet section. But to answer the last question, no I have never run a pro-hormone. Is this something that you guys would
Suggest and if so what is recommended with my size and goals in mind? I have decided to at least hold off on the Var only and will save my bottle. After reading these comments and looking at more information on the forum I will at least wait and run it with a Test maybe closer to the summer as my diet improves and I become more educated. I appreciate all
The help and lack of snarky comments which have become common place on most forums (bodybuilding related or not).

Drank

Do NOT use pro hormones ever. They are horror stories waiting to happen...

**TheClinch** · 03-05-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by emp

its fun to read on a new forum, where things and opinions are quite different

i think im better off not telling u my story and experiences with anavar , as it differs quite a lot from whats being said here...

ofc test is better, and var with test is better than var only. but ull also need a lot more of everything(AI, PCT, hCG , etc).

var only man....

If you can't afford to do it right dont do it at all. We promote the
SAFE use of steroids here on this forum.

**emp** · 03-05-2013, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

If you can't afford to do it right dont do it at all. We promote the
SAFE use of steroids here on this forum.

who said anything about affording anything? had nothing to do with money.

and i said its fun to read, how different opinions people have on the same subject. not meaning one is better than the other. ofc, u have ur view, and i havent criticised it at all.

i said i wouldnt share my personal experience with var, since it differs so much from whats being told here about var. its just a matter of different opinions and/or experiences i guess.

and i totaly agree on test being a better choice, and safer, and stacking var with test being safer. i only meant u had to take a lot more into concideration when doing so. hcg , ai and so on isnt necessary with a 6 week var only. at least ive never used and had no problems what so ever with.

sry if it sounded like i was suggesting "take the easy way, do orals only...its cheaper aswell". (is var+pct really cheaper than test+everything u would need+pct? i think in norway its even more expencive with the var cycle)

i see im constantly being misunderstood in my posts. i think it may have something to do with language. ill try to post more carefuly in the future

**Drank** · 03-05-2013, 11:55 AM

So no pro hormones, gonna save and wait on the bottle of var that I have now and run it with a Test closer to the summer, until then gonna read and read and read some more on this forum about ai, pct, hcg etc, get my diet right, and hit the gym hard with both weights and cardio...

And to think last night I was all ready to Start the var only next Monday, last time I listen to "gym bro friends" without doing research about what I'M putting in MY body even if they seem to think its "a safe steroid " Appreciate all the input and if anyone has anything to add to this thread I.e. specific posts to check out or just a word of advice going forward please add as I would really appreciate any knowledge you guys can lend!

**TheClinch** · 03-05-2013, 12:01 PM

I'm definitely not out to cut you down because of what you believe. No harm done.
I merely want to keep the safest way to cycle in perspective.
Look back in this thread, MickeyKnox has posted a link to a thread about Anavar . Please have a look through it and although you have good things to say about a Var only cycle this might help sway your future cycle planning.

To answer your question yes a var only cycle is more expensive than a test only cycle... so clearly a var and test cycle with ancillaries and pct will cost more in the long run.

The important point responsible users stress is using steroids as safely as possible as not to influence uneducated people to cycle with disregard for health.

**TheClinch** · 03-05-2013, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Drank

So no pro hormones, gonna save and wait on the bottle of var that I have now and run it with a Test closer to the summer, until then gonna read and read and read some more on this forum about ai, pct, hcg etc, get my diet right, and hit the gym hard with both weights and cardio...

And to think last night I was all ready to Start the var only next Monday, last time I listen to "gym bro friends" without doing research about what I'M putting in MY body even if they seem to think its "a safe steroid" Appreciate all the input and if anyone has anything to add to this thread I.e. specific posts to check out or just a word of advice going forward please add as I would really appreciate any knowledge you guys can lend!

Good choice Drank. You gotta watch the confused facts people will try to convince you of being accurate...but thats true for everything in life. Good for you for reading up and educating yourself.

**emp** · 03-05-2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheClinch

I'm definitely not out to cut you down because of what you believe. No harm done.
I merely want to keep the safest way to cycle in perspective.
Look back in this thread, MickeyKnox has posted a link to a thread about Anavar . Please have a look through it and although you have good things to say about a Var only cycle this might help sway your future cycle planning.

To answer your question yes a var only cycle is more expensive than a test only cycle... so clearly a var and test cycle with ancillaries and pct will cost more in the long run.

The important point responsible users stress is using steroids as safely as possible as not to influence uneducated people to cycle with disregard for health.

yup! i read u loud and clear

and i am done with var only...it just doesnt "cut" it anymore

and sry drank, had no intention to steal ur thread! u seem like a guy whos gonna make the right decisions

**gymfu** · 03-05-2013, 10:46 PM

No prohormones. I asked because they are just as damaging to HPTA as AAS. What was your testosterone reading? Normal means nothing, some doctors will argue that 250 is normal.