Test and Decca for first cycle?

[Mudflat]

I'm looking to go to the dark side at the age of 42. I have lifted on and off since high school. At the age of 40 I decided to make it a priority. I started at a weight of 215 and now I'm around 190. So my stats are as followed!
Age 42
Weight 190
5'11
Some belly fat still but not considered a Fat Ass, i could "pinch and inch or two"
Lifting seriously 2 years
Not more kids, sex life is great, erections strong and often.
Recent blood work said everything was normal, thyroid, test levels, etc. No history of high blood pressure, disease, heart is healthy.

So I have found a source, guy I work with whom is extremely large and been around steroids since he was a teen. Never comes off them, just coasting between cycles. Has tried it all and even abused them in younger days. Uses UGL gear mostly. He recommends Test and Decca as my first as I have some joint pain, from arthritis, and he said the Decca would give me some relief and jump start my growth. I know a lot recommend Test only first to see how you react. What if I start with Test and then 2 weeks into cycle start the Decca if I've had no reactions? Not wanting to become a Hulk, but gain some mass, ease recover pains, and joint issues. As far as gyno, he has whatever I want but he said see how I react before taking anything. He personally doesn't take anything for gyno, but has when his nips got tender feeling. What's your take on all this? His gear is 350 Test so I plan to take just under a CC twice a week, the Decca i forgot what he recommended. Is this crazy or sounds like a plan?

[kronik420]

i think people would still recommend you try test only for your 1st cycle...

say test e for 12 weeks at 500mg/week, along with an AI, HCG, and PCT.

what are your goals?

[warmouth]

If you choose deca, keep it low and let it be secondary to your testosterone. Use it as joint relief if at all. You will do great with test only. Deca is a different beast and is a bit harsher than test.

[crazy mike]

If you choose deca, keep it low and let it be secondary to your testosterone. Use it as joint relief if at all. You will do great with test only. Deca is a different beast and is a bit harsher than test.

Wow I agree with that. First cycle, I would only do test. It will do you just fine. Too early to try to stack too much. I think it would be a waist an you would be disappointed with loss at the end. Just my experience. ...crazy mike

I might add that test and diet are what will help you hold what you will get out of a good test 1st cycle, Talk to these guys about diet. ...cm

Hey after re-reading I think that with the belly fat you def should not include deca for this first cycle. Keep it lean n clean....cm, again

[songdog]

Just beacuse someone sells or uses aas doesnt mean they can teach you about them.Many guys start off with bad habits and never seek the right knowledge on wat they are doing.So they teach bad habits.Sounds like you already made up your mind.You just want someone to say ok.

[Mudflat]

I have been working on my diet the last couple of years. I have lost some weight. My long term goal is to put on some muscle and possibly ease my pains. At my age I ache alot and recovery time is slow. My only concern is my sex drive will not remain the same after I cycle. My nuts can shrink as long as i still have that erection and sex drive. I plan on using whatever is needed to get that back up to par. I have been reading hours and hours on forumns, and this part is somewhat confusing. Take clomid, nolvadex, HCG, all those can be confusing to a newb as everybody has their own opinion. Most say take something and be safe yet others say why if your not having sides. I have wanted to try roids since I was a teen but either scared, lack of source, or funds have held me back. I have the funds and source but still a little scared of injecting something made by someone whom I don't know or how it was made. Don't want to end up sick as I have a family to feed and my wife might get a little upset if something bad were to happen from some "roid high". Instead of buying a new corvette or getting a new lady my mid life crisis will be a cycle. Just in two years people have commented how my body has changed and I kinda like the attention.

[songdog]

Thats good you have decided to make a change in your life.BUT everything comes at a price nothing is free.Remember this some guys do great other get high BP acne ED problems with libdo.These are some of the things you must deal with.Good luck!

[fit2bOld]

I'd go with just Test only for a first cycle. As Songdog says your source should not be your teacher.
As an over 50 member I believe you will be happy with just a single compound to start.
Also you need to have an AI to run as well as PCT. this needs to be in your possession before you start.
Also recommended is Hcg on cycle 250 iu 2x week

[Mudflat]

No I haven't made up my mind up yet on the Decca, just what my source recommended for joint pain, mainly one shoulder. Doc has checked it out and said it looks like ole arthritis. I'm not busting a gut to do a cycle and will take advice but advice is all over the board when it comes to what to do and what not. About the only thing I see consistent is test only first but most say this is for reaction purposes. So if I don't react after 4 injections should I try the Decca for joint issues. From what I read its a good roid, been around a long time, and helps joints. I was just wondering if the sides from Decca would out weight the benefits from joint pain and a jump start to growth. My source probably isn't the best for info as he told me he has abused them before. He merely suggested Decca and isn't pushing me to buy anything extra I don't need.

[Mudflat]

I have also read the term Decca dick and I like fing so there again asking questions to be safe. I'm leaning towards test only. I am having trouble sleeping at times cause of my nagging soreness in my body and shoulder. Also, my mental health is stable, I'm not doom and gloom, but I do let some things bother me that probably shouldn't amount to nothing. Read where a cycle can make you feel like a million dollars or want to blow your head off. I don't want the latter so my wife will be advised if I start acting kooky then to tell me and I will stop use.

[warmouth]

Mudflat. Have you had recent bloodwork or hormone panel? At your age, you may be suprised by the findings. You are at an age where low testosterone is the norm. I'd at least get it checked.

[Mudflat]

Yes, I have had a standard test for Test and my levels were fine. Tried talking to doctor about TRT clinics and basically he said they liked your money. I was trying to do it the legal way but when your Test levels are OK then the family doc don't want to hear it. So now the illegal way, which is scary. I have a family, great job, that means more to me than steroids. I have that itch though, sure most of y'all knew that feeling.

[Mudflat]

I'm just up the road from Jorgia by the way, the better of the states, south kakalaki!

[Mudflat]

Can you draw up the HCG in the same pin as your Test or would that equal cross contamination of the two. I noticed it is sold in many different iu configurations. If you say you want 250iu HCG does that mean you will get a 10 cc vial and each cc will contain 250 IU or the vial will have enough for one 250iu injection? Understanding IU/Cc can be confusing. Anybody have a sticky that explains dosing for dummies better, i have time to read. I appreciate the responses.

[warmouth]

Can you draw up the HCG in the same pin as your Test or would that equal cross contamination of the two. I noticed it is sold in many different iu configurations. If you say you want 250iu HCG does that mean you will get a 10 cc vial and each cc will contain 250 IU or the vial will have enough for one 250iu injection? Understanding IU/Cc can be confusing. Anybody have a sticky that explains dosing for dummies better, i have time to read. I appreciate the responses.

You can. It might be harder to dose correctly.

[Mudflat]

Can you explain the configurations of HCG. Read where it can be bought up to 10,000 iu amp. How many CC units will that 10,000 IU be in? Does that question make since?

[crazy mike]

Hold on dude. Jezzz your are making this to be so intense and complicated. You are reading into what if and crap. It hasn't happened yet. If your mind is made up, and you say it's not, re-read your posts and you keep looking to support the deca. Now dammit, I am 61 yrs old. I have rheumatoid arthritis, osteo arthritis, and busitis. I have a rotary cuff problem from a dislocation some years ago, and a bad knee from squatting. There are other thing for the joint lubrication, look them up or ask. Deca will put weight on you that you don't want. You will get big eneough and have to watch your water enough with the test for a foirst cycle. I suggest you forget all the complicated bull shit and keep it simple so you can use training intensity and you diet to get some real muscle mass gains that you will build on and get some great shape to your body. I don't know what you look like but I mean some hard, hard muscle gains, and that some times is hard to do o your first cycle. So once more you came here for advice, yes you did, now look at the majority of what all these people have said to you. Why keep finding a way to justify. I myself would be proud of the forum if we steered you correctly and you were to get some nice hard a$$ muscle mass gains because in the end that's all that counts. At the end of your cycle. Do as you please and you will but please save us the time and RESPECT the advice that almost EVERYONE has given you. Sorry for the long post guys. ...crazy as SH*T mike

[dutchkickboxer]

Very bad advice!!!.. Never mix water and oil... Hcg should be a sub q injection,, dude do some research on some medical sites, just don't listen to a bunch of bodybuilders, hcg is best absorbed in body fat, inject 6 inches away from belly button with insulin needle,

[crazy mike]

I have also read the term Decca dick and I like fing so there again asking questions to be safe. I'm leaning towards test only. I am having trouble sleeping at times cause of my nagging soreness in my body and shoulder. Also, my mental health is stable, I'm not doom and gloom, but I do let some things bother me that probably shouldn't amount to nothing. Read where a cycle can make you feel like a million dollars or want to blow your head off. I don't want the latter so my wife will be advised if I start acting kooky then to tell me and I will stop use.

Yep, it's me again. I just re-read this post. I will let you know that I am , Bi-Polar I , and quite an intense case. When I was young aas took it's toll on my mental health, but remember that I was not quite stable then. Now being clean and sober and stay with my meds I'm very stable, despite what I sound like. However I have some temper and irritability problems and am prone to loosing it. But I tell you if you are basically healthy mentally and don't have manic or temper issues it shouldn't be a problem. Also with your wife as well as your self are aware of the potential then don't worry. Just us the awareness you and she have. Most aas users don't have a problem. Good to investigate these things but maybe you're not ready for all this and maybe you don't need to go this route. ...just ore of my rederick. ...I'll leave it alone now. ...cm

[brazilian86]

Very bad advice!!!.. Never mix water and oil... Hcg should be a sub q injection,, dude do some research on some medical sites, just don't listen to a bunch of bodybuilders, hcg is best absorbed in body fat, inject 6 inches away from belly button with insulin needle,

Hahaha 6 inches away from belly button?
Thats bad advice. Its 1 inch away.
Some people have smaller frames, other bigger frames, where lower abs are closer or farther from belly button.

[Mudflat]

There seems to be 4 answers for every problem I have so I will be more specific. I will listen to all answers and come up with a plan from them. For my first cycle I will run it for 12 weeks.
I will pin Test at 250 IU Tues and Friday. Source said his bottles were 350 Test, according to him they are 10 CC bottles and there are 350 IU in each CC. I will order 2 bottles/ vials. Said his stuff is UGL.
I will run HCG along with my cycle. We havent discussed this so im not clear about bottle/vial size it comes in. Recommendations from this board said 250 ITU twice a week. Reading about HCG it comes in various sizes. Do I need to tell my source I need 250 iu HCG vial X 24 or a bottle with 6000 iU in it? Pinned close to the belly button with an insulin needle. From what I have read its all over the board on how long I should take it.

Use clomid or nolvadex for Gyno related sides as needed. Some recommend taking it reguardless others why if your not having sides from gyno.Should I take either if I show no signs of gyno?

I have read a many of hours on this board and others. The answers are all over the place for the same question. I want to do this right, I'm not in the position that I can afford Fing myself up. Sorry for long questions that may seem obvious to you but to me there not. Even the STICKyS contradict themselves from what I've seen. CM Mike, no harm no foul, I'm a grown man and I'm not going to take it personally.

[warmouth]

Very bad advice!!!.. Never mix water and oil... Hcg should be a sub q injection,, dude do some research on some medical sites, just don't listen to a bunch of bodybuilders, hcg is best absorbed in body fat, inject 6 inches away from belly button with insulin needle,

What? You can mix water and oil based compiunds in the same syringe. About 90% if this forum has or does. B12, winny, hcg. They are not going to mix together so its fine.
Crazy mike, I think he was wondering about hcg, not the deca. I would recommend hcg for him on his first cycle.

[asquarecan]

Just beacuse someone sells or uses aas doesnt mean they can teach you about them.Many guys start off with bad habits and never seek the right knowledge on wat they are doing.So they teach bad habits.Sounds like you already made up your mind.You just want someone to say ok.

Best advice for a beginner. I got a lot of info from my source and some of it didnt make a lot of sense so I came on here and got straighten out. Listen to the guys here they are full of good info.

[warmouth]

There seems to be 4 answers for every problem I have so I will be more specific. I will listen to all answers and come up with a plan from them. For my first cycle I will run it for 12 weeks.
I will pin Test at 250 IU Tues and Friday. Source said his bottles were 350 Test, according to him they are 10 CC bottles and there are 350 IU in each CC. I will order 2 bottles/ vials. Said his stuff is UGL. 60 dollars a bottle. Is this going rate?
I will run HCG along with my cycle. We havent discussed this so im not clear about bottle/vial size it comes in. Recommendations from this board said 250 ITU twice a week. Reading about HCG it comes in various sizes. Do I need to tell my source I need 250 iu HCG vial X 24 or a bottle with 6000 iU in it? Pinned close to the belly button with an insulin needle. From what I have read its all over the board on how long I should take it.

Use clomid or nolvadex for Gyno related sides as needed. Some recommend taking it reguardless others why if your not having sides from gyno.Should I take either if I show no signs of gyno?

I have read a many of hours on this board and others. The answers are all over the place for the same question. I want to do this right, I'm not in the position that I can afford Fing myself up. Sorry for long questions that may seem obvious to you but to me there not. Even the STICKyS contradict themselves from what I've seen. CM Mike, no harm no foul, I'm a grown man and I'm not going to take it personally.

Here is something easy to follow:
Test E or C 250mgs 2x weekly (500mgs)
Armidex .25mgs eod, adjust as needed
HCG 250ius 2x weekly

PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

This is a typical first cycle. Should be fine. You can accomplish a lot with this cycle if diet and training are up to par. I would suggest hitting up the nutrition section and post your diet as well as your goals.

[Mudflat]

War mouth, thanks! I have basically seen this in a sticky, + or - a little.

[Mudflat]

I know I will have to clean my diet up some and probably eat more once I cycle. I will share what I had today for example. I have only been trying to loose weight and have been successfull eating kinda like I have today. So go ahead and critique it.
Morning: two fried egg whites, one link of pork sausage, one piece of whole wheat toast with one of those square strawberry jelly packs.

Lunch: Venison meatloaf, consisting of eggs, green peppers, tomato paste, very little saltine crackers. I ate a big helping, probably 10 oz or more.

Snack: handful of pork skins and small bag of Famous Amos cookies, 2 oz of pure sugury Bliss.

Here in a minute I will eat a whole chicken breast, grilled.

Take a scoop of Jacked 3d or 1 MR and at 7 pm I will go to the gym and lift for an hour and run on treadmill for 20 minutes, I do this mininimum 3 x week now. More running as the weather gets nicer.

When i get home a protein shake with 1/2 banana, small scoop of Peter Pan, over ice. Go to bed and try to get 6 hours sleep but I toss and turn during the night a lot.

[warmouth]

I know I will have to clean my diet up some and probably eat more once I cycle. I will share what I had today for example. I have only been trying to loose weight and have been successfull eating kinda like I have today. So go ahead and critique it.
Morning: two fried egg whites, one link of pork sausage, one piece of whole wheat toast with one of those square strawberry jelly packs.

Lunch: Venison meatloaf, consisting of eggs, green peppers, tomato paste, very little saltine crackers. I ate a big helping, probably 10 oz or more.

Snack: handful of pork skins and small bag of Famous Amos cookies, 2 oz of pure sugury Bliss.

Here in a minute I will eat a whole chicken breast, grilled.

Take a scoop of Jacked 3d or 1 MR and at 7 pm I will go to the gym and lift for an hour and run on treadmill for 20 minutes, I do this mininimum 3 x week now. More running as the weather gets nicer.

When i get home a protein shake with 1/2 banana, small scoop of Peter Pan, over ice. Go to bed and try to get 6 hours sleep but I toss and turn during the night a lot.

Just figure your goal, cut, bulk, or maintain, and adjust you lr calories. The guys over in the nutrition section are seriously experts. And you're welcome. Good luck and keep us posted!

[kronik420]

I know I will have to clean my diet up some and probably eat more once I cycle. I will share what I had today for example. I have only been trying to loose weight and have been successfull eating kinda like I have today. So go ahead and critique it.
Morning: two fried egg whites, one link of pork sausage, one piece of whole wheat toast with one of those square strawberry jelly packs.

Lunch: Venison meatloaf, consisting of eggs, green peppers, tomato paste, very little saltine crackers. I ate a big helping, probably 10 oz or more.

Snack: handful of pork skins and small bag of Famous Amos cookies, 2 oz of pure sugury Bliss.

Here in a minute I will eat a whole chicken breast, grilled.

Take a scoop of Jacked 3d or 1 MR and at 7 pm I will go to the gym and lift for an hour and run on treadmill for 20 minutes, I do this mininimum 3 x week now. More running as the weather gets nicer.

When i get home a protein shake with 1/2 banana, small scoop of Peter Pan, over ice. Go to bed and try to get 6 hours sleep but I toss and turn during the night a lot.

your right, your diet needs alot of work..

[Mudflat]

I definitely will work on what I eat if I cycle. I know I can do better but it will take time. I'm not going to come on here and say that I eat this and that just so I can get everybody to agree that I am ready for a cycle. Like I said I do have some belly fat but I am loosing it. I can almost see some of my abbs under there. Mainly been trying to eat low carb for weight loss. Its the sugar tooth that kicks my ass. I try not to eat refined sugar products like cookies but if I do its moderate, like today at 2 oz. No more sweets today. I'm not looking to make GQ magazine nor do I want to blow up like a fat azz while on cycle. Looking for that happy medium!

[songdog]

Hit the diet section and post your diet with macros.They will help this is the only way to do it.Younger guys can get away with a lot.Us older guys cant.Believe me I tried and failed.Now I bug 405 or gbrice in the diet section.Beacuse I didnt want to be a chunky monkey like Lunk

[stpete]

There seems to be 4 answers for every problem I have so I will be more specific. I will listen to all answers and come up with a plan from them. For my first cycle I will run it for 12 weeks.
I will pin Test at 250 IU Tues and Friday. Source said his bottles were 350 Test, according to him they are 10 CC bottles and there are 350 IU in each CC. I will order 2 bottles/ vials. Said his stuff is UGL. 60 dollars a bottle. Is this going rate?
I will run HCG along with my cycle. We havent discussed this so im not clear about bottle/vial size it comes in. Recommendations from this board said 250 ITU twice a week. Reading about HCG it comes in various sizes. Do I need to tell my source I need 250 iu HCG vial X 24 or a bottle with 6000 iU in it? Pinned close to the belly button with an insulin needle. From what I have read its all over the board on how long I should take it.

Use clomid or nolvadex for Gyno related sides as needed. Some recommend taking it reguardless others why if your not having sides from gyno.Should I take either if I show no signs of gyno?

I have read a many of hours on this board and others. The answers are all over the place for the same question. I want to do this right, I'm not in the position that I can afford Fing myself up. Sorry for long questions that may seem obvious to you but to me there not. Even the STICKyS contradict themselves from what I've seen. CM Mike, no harm no foul, I'm a grown man and I'm not going to take it personally.

Edit the cost and and asking for prices in this post. Price discussion is against the rules.

Thanks.

Test only would be your best bet. And so you know, deca doesn't help everyone w/joint issues.

[Mudflat]

I will spend some time in the diet section. Its funny that War mouth and Song dog have both replied. War mouth is a fish we catch and song dog is another name for coyote here in SC.

[warmouth]

I will spend some time in the diet section. Its funny that War mouth and Song dog have both replied. War mouth is a fish we catch and song dog is another name for coyote here in SC.

Ha ha. That's why my name is warmouth. It was the first fish I ever caught. 2 years old and still have the picture.

[Mudflat]

Bet everybody thought WarMouth was your Indian name. I have also heard them called Morgans along the coast. I used to also catch them as a kid also. When i get a chance im on the water or in the woods.