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    Finished 1st cycle- results, lessons learned, few Q's

    So 12 weeks went by rather quickly. I'm 2 weeks from my last 250mg Test E injection & I'm starting my PCT today.

    1st- my cycle went good. Solid average gains of 11-12lbs. I'll say lean as my BF dropped by a percent. I learned to keep air in my needle so when I aspirate I can see blood easily if I hit a vein. I did hit a vein once (glute inj.) but due to oil in the needle I didn't aspirate good enough to pull blood & felt some seriously painful results. From then on no more glutes as a different time I didn't hit a vein but went through one and back flow still hit my system. That sucks bad!

    Sex drive & attitude. All I could think about was sex, if I didn't get it I think I acted like a dich. Far from "rage" but definetly reminded me of what it was like during puberty/early 20's (I'm 35 now). My wife was impressed with the gains, less impressed with the 24/7 ultra heightened sex drive. Now, I've always had a very high sex drive & thought it would be fun to be as horny as I was back in my "early" years. After a bit, thinking with my dich 24/7 wasn't so fun.

    The gym. Actually, I didn't work harder. I kept a solid 4 days a week of good hard workouts & left plenty of recovery. I did well on my diet. I'm happy with the 11-12lbs in 3 months.

    STARTING NEW DRUGS-

    OK, Testosterone is one thing. It's already something natural & if your source & gear is good then I doubt any male would have issue. Adex (think that's what it was) for my AI at o.25mg EOD I had to mess around with. I preloaded Test E so I had a rapid increase & since I noticed no change didn't start my AI. Eventually I felt some sensitivity to my nipples & started my AI & the issue resolved Immediatly. I found the AI controlled the acne that was starting along with any sensitivity. When I started my cycle I prepped & had Letro on hand in case the Gyno monster attacked & I'm glad there was no need.

    PCT MEDS- tamoxifen/Nolva & Clomid. This is where I'm being careful. There is a lack of info (that I could find) on side effect for males. Doing a...

    Nolva(tamoxifen) 40/40/20/20 along with Clomid 100/100/50/50 or 100/50/50/50 starting today (2 weeks from last test e shot) was worrisome. I've read enough mistakes & learned from mine. Everyone's different. I started with 10mg Nolva & will increase. I do feel a bit itchy but it's going away now (been an hour). I'll give it another hour then try 25mg of Clomid & see how I do?

    Hopefully I can keep increasing the PCT Meds & will not have any issues. The AI was fine.

    Anyone have side effects from PCT Meds?
    Should I continue to use my AI while I work into my PCT? I could be running full strength in a day or two & thinking back probably should have started "testing" a couple days ago. Thoughts?

    End thoughts- I'm sure glad I had the help here & waited a good 6 months with everyday solid research before doing my first cycle. AAS sound "easy". I found its much harder, required MORE dedication & hard work. Above all it does come at a cost, mentally it's something I think you know only after the fact. I'm looking forward to my second cycle. Maybe in 6-9 months. I also do not believe I'll need to go beyond Test E. we'll see..

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    Drop your AI during recovery, PCT, and decrease your Clomid and Nolva. Most people don't require larger amounts of these SERM's.

    Clomid 75/50/50/50 <---- if using tabs, 100mg first wk is fine.
    Nolva 40/20/20/20

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    Using tabs (thanks for the update). I'm spending the afternoon with small dosages & slowly increasing. I doubt I'll have any issues with the Clomid (SERM) as it doesn't seem to differ too much from the AI (do I have that correct?)

    Still, I'm not jumping in with max dosages until I know my body is ok with it. I stopped my AI 3 days after my last Test E shot w/ no issues since.

    If I have no neg. sides I'll be on the PCT you just gave me by late tonight, tomorrow at the latest. Just being safe

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    Keep us posted.


    SERM, AI Definition

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    Drop your AI during recovery, PCT, and decrease your Clomid and Nolva. Most people don't require larger amounts of these SERM's.

    Clomid 75/50/50/50 <---- if using tabs, 100mg first wk is fine.
    Nolva 40/20/20/20
    did the same cycle last summer .. this pct was basically what i used (2nd week i used 40mg nolva).. and i never skipped a beat..

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    Quote Originally Posted by haterade View Post
    did the same cycle last summer .. this pct was basically what i used (2nd week i used 40mg nolva).. and i never skipped a beat..
    That's good to hear.

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    i was super paranoid haha.. gotta give a big thanks to all the people on this site willing to help the noobs..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    Keep us posted.


    SERM, AI Definition

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition
    Thanks, I'll keep you all posted. I adjusted the Clomid & Nolva to the newer proposed schedule. Sorry on my memory of definitions. Bombs & brains don't mix & the explosion that hit me caused quite the memory problems. Thus I have my wife keeping track of all Meds & scheduling now.

    Oh the PCT Meds- I'm on them for the second day. Yesterday I was VERY careful & wasn't sure of any reactions or side effects so I simply took the entire dose but broken up throughout the day & kept a solid log of times taken & doses. Example: Nolva- took 10mgs & waited an hour. Then the same with Clomid. Eventually taking both at once & today I've taken the entire dose (2 hours ago) & have no issues/sides ect.

    Always staying careful & again thanks guys. So far you've turned something that if done uneducated, could have been a nightmare & made it a positive experience.

    Looking forward to my blood test results (waiting till about 2 months after PCT) to see if my body has returned to normal. If everything's good to go, like I mentioned above- in 6-9 months I'll start a second cycle.

    Cheers--

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