Cycle Advice Please

[EKFitness]

Not looking to do an extremely strong cycle. just a little something

was thinking 10wks 250mg cyp and 20-30mg tbol wks 1-4?
clomid/nolva pct..

5'8, 170lbs.

this will be my second cycle.

thanks bros.

[bdos]

250mg total a week? Thats a tad low

[EKFitness]

250mg total a week? Thats a tad low

agreed. my last cycle was 500mg/wk 1-10 test e
1-4 50mg/day dbol.
post cycle clomid nolva.

had no sides kept most of gains.

thought maybe i could cut down the test this time a bit since i responded so well to 500.

[MickeyKnox]

agreed. my last cycle was 500mg/wk 1-10 test e
1-4 50mg/day dbol.
post cycle clomid nolva.

had no sides kept most of gains.

thought maybe i could cut down the test this time a bit since i responded so well to 500.

Why fix what isn't broken?

[EKFitness]

Why fix what isn't broken?

not exactly sure lol. good logic. just thought maybe the 500 was a bit much for my age and don't think it's a necessary boost.
however, i had 0 problems last time. so maybe i should run the same thing again.

switching out the dbol to tbol for a leaner look.


also, was looking at oral tren from GP...but it seems like it's not the safest oral ever

[EKFitness]

basically, i wanna put on 10lbs of lean muscle without the ed/eod pinning of prop.

[MickeyKnox]

not exactly sure lol. good logic. just thought maybe the 500 was a bit much for my age and don't think it's a necessary boost.
however, i had 0 problems last time. so maybe i should run the same thing again.

switching out the dbol to tbol for a leaner look.


also, was looking at oral tren from GP...but it seems like it's not the safest oral ever

Youre shutting yourself down regardless if you run 250 or 500. I would forgo the oral Tren.

[kelkel]

I'd also run the cycle 2-4 weeks longer....

[EKFitness]

I'd also run the cycle 2-4 weeks longer....

that ends up needing 3 bottles though right? with leftovers?

[MuscleInk]

A few guys here would say 250mg/wk isn't necessarily a bad idea. It's still more than most males produce naturally in a week. An added benefit is that you may need less of an AI and since many affect lipid metabolism, lower doses of AIs are not only practical but beneficial.

I, however, am of the belief that anything less than 500mg/wk for 12 wks isn't optimal.

Opinions will vary. The majority will say at least 500mg/wk (my recommendation).

[EKFitness]

A few guys here would say 250mg/wk isn't necessarily a bad idea. It's still more than most males produce naturally in a week. An added benefit is that you may need less of an AI and since many affect lipid metabolism, lower doses of AIs are not only practical but beneficial.

I, however, am of the belief that anything less than 500mg/wk for 12 wks isn't optimal.

Opinions will vary. The majority will say at least 500mg/wk (my recommendation).

thanks man. so i think i'll go with 500mg cyp 12 weeks

how about a lean gain jumpstart oral? does tbol sound good?

[MickeyKnox]

thanks man. so i think i'll go with 500mg cyp 12 weeks

how about a lean gain jumpstart oral? does tbol sound good?

If this is your first cycle i would not complicate it with an oral. First see how the Test behaves in your body first before you go adding additional compounds. You'll make terrific gains form Test only. trust me.

Make sure your diet is on par with your goals.

[Swole33]

tbol comes in 10mgs? i like tbol.. use it. if you want to use 250 of test then you need tbol at 20 a day throughout the cycle.. its pretty safe for 8 weeks..

otherwise just take test 500.. no tbol.. as knox says

[qscgugcsq]

Tbol would be a good option considering you just want a little kick start, you could also think of a frontload, It will help the test to kick in fast.(600mg the first shot after you stay at 250 mg, as simple as that)

Good luck

[EKFitness]

Tbol would be a good option considering you just want a little kick start, you could also think of a frontload, It will help the test to kick in fast.(600mg the first shot after you stay at 250 mg, as simple as that)

Good luck

thinking of doing 12 weeks 500 test and 1-6 tbol.

this will be my second test cycle. first one went awesome

[EKFitness]

settling with this.

1-12. 500mg/wk
1-6 50mg tbol ed
1-12 .5mg arimidex EOD


20 Days after last injection Clomid
Days:
Day 1: 150mg
7 Days: 100mg
14 Days: 50mg

Nolva: 20mg/Day for gyno reduction (only if needed)

20mg/day post cycle


how is this for my diet.

very open to change

meal 1: Oatmeal, protein shake with milk 2 scoop(50g)

meal 2: Chicken and rice

meal 3: 1 can tuna fish

Workout

meal 4: PWO oatmeal, protein shake with milk 2 scoops

meal 5: Chicken, rice, pickles

meal 6: Protein shake with milk 2 scoop

[MickeyKnox]

settling with this.

1-12. 500mg/wk
1-6 50mg tbol ed
1-12 .5mg arimidex EOD


20 Days after last injection Clomid
Days:
Day 1: 150mg
7 Days: 100mg
14 Days: 50mg

Nolva: 20mg/Day for gyno reduction (only if needed)

20mg/day post cycle


how is this for my diet.

very open to change

meal 1: Oatmeal, protein shake with milk 2 scoop(50g)

meal 2: Chicken and rice

meal 3: 1 can tuna fish

Workout

meal 4: PWO oatmeal, protein shake with milk 2 scoops

meal 5: Chicken, rice, pickles

meal 6: Protein shake with milk 2 scoop

Are you on food rations? That's worse than a "diet" bro.

Post your intended diet along with you AAS goals in the Nutritional Forum for some help by the pros. This diet is horrible. You only have two real meals listed. ??

[MuscleInk]

settling with this.

1-12. 500mg/wk
1-6 50mg tbol ed
1-12 .5mg arimidex EOD

20 Days after last injection Clomid
Days:
Day 1: 150mg
7 Days: 100mg
14 Days: 50mg

Nolva: 20mg/Day for gyno reduction (only if needed)

20mg/day post cycle

how is this for my diet.

very open to change

meal 1: Oatmeal, protein shake with milk 2 scoop(50g)

meal 2: Chicken and rice

meal 3: 1 can tuna fish

Workout

meal 4: PWO oatmeal, protein shake with milk 2 scoops

meal 5: Chicken, rice, pickles

meal 6: Protein shake with milk 2 scoop

Yeah, that diet needs work. You won't gain anything eating like a bird.

MuscleInk

[EKFitness]

this is a lot of food for me. this is slightly less than the "unofficial how to bulk" thread

[EKFitness]

Yeah, that diet needs work. You won't gain anything eating like a bird.

MuscleInk

can u supply a sample diet? that works around this many meals and shakes? also, thoughts on the cycle itself?

[MuscleInk]

can u supply a sample diet? that works around this many meals and shakes? also, thoughts on the cycle itself?

The guys in the nutrition sub forum can critique your diet and make suggestions. No one will do it for you. This is really the point being made. Diet is everything and if you're lacking knowledge in this area, you need to spend time learning how, when, and what to eat. You will be disappointed in your efforts with steroids if you aren't eating properly BEFORE you consider steroids.

MuscleInk

[MickeyKnox]

The guys in the nutrition sub forum can critique your diet and make suggestions. No one will do it for you. This is really the point being made. Diet is everything and if you're lacking knowledge in this area, you need to spend time learning how, when, and what to eat. You will be disappointed in your efforts with steroids if you aren't eating properly BEFORE you consider steroids.

MuscleInk

Agree 100%! It all begins in the kitchen, not in the needle.

[MuscleInk]

Agree 100%! It all begins in the kitchen, not in the needle.

I don't chew my food any more. I just blend it, pour it in an IV bag and hook it up to my pic-line. Much more efficient! Lol

MuscleInk

[EKFitness]

I don't chew my food any more. I just blend it, pour it in an IV bag and hook it up to my pic-line. Much more efficient! Lol

MuscleInk

ok, I know I can go to that forum and start and entirely new thread, didn't think that would be necessary.

no thoughts on cycle? is pct and dosing okay?

[MuscleInk]

ok, I know I can go to that forum and start and entirely new thread, didn't think that would be necessary.

no thoughts on cycle? is pct and dosing okay?

Are you running test-C or test-E?
Adex at .5mg EOD is a bit high. If you can keep your E2 controlled at .25mg EOD, that would be better.

Clomiphene AND tamoxifen for PCT are usually run for four weeks, 14-18d from last injection depending on your long ester. Your clomid is dosed higher than I'd recommend and your tamoxifen is on the low side but may be adequate from a 500mg weekly test dose.

Is HCG in consideration?

Are you running any sups for liver health? What's your current BP? Keep it in check as anabolic compounds often elevate BP. Give some thought to cholesterol management as well - lipid metabolism becomes impacted by anabolic compounds and this can create problems if not managed effectively.

MuscleInk

[EKFitness]

Are you running test-C or test-E?
Adex at .5mg EOD is a bit high. If you can keep your E2 controlled at .25mg EOD, that would be better.

Clomiphene AND tamoxifen for PCT are usually run for four weeks, 14-18d from last injection depending on your long ester. Your clomid is dosed higher than I'd recommend and your tamoxifen is on the low side but may be adequate from a 500mg weekly test dose.

Is HCG in consideration?

Are you running any sups for liver health? What's your current BP? Keep it in check as anabolic compounds often elevate BP. Give some thought to cholesterol management as well - lipid metabolism becomes impacted by anabolic compounds and this can create problems if not managed effectively.

MuscleInk

test e 250
ok I will start on .25 adex
will lower clomid to 100/75/50/50?
nolva up to 30mg ED PCT?

BP this morning was 114/70. 82BPM

I take milk thistle, multi vitamin, extra D (combats seasonal depression) fiber and fish oil.

did not purchase HCG for this cycle but looking at extremestane and proviron for next cycle.

[MuscleInk]

test e 250
ok I will start on .25 adex
will lower clomid to 100/75/50/50?
nolva up to 30mg ED PCT?

BP this morning was 114/70. 82BPM

I take milk thistle, multi vitamin, extra D (combats seasonal depression) fiber and fish oil.

did not purchase HCG for this cycle but looking at extremestane and proviron for next cycle.

Clomiphene: 75/50/50/50
Tamoxifen: 40/20/20/20

Milk thistle (MT) is ok. It's a weaker liver protectant IMO but others will disagree. Since the only oral is tbol, you should be ok. How much MT do you plan on taking?

Krill is superior to fish oil. Niacin would be another formidable product as would Cholestoff Plus and CoQ10 unless you know for sure your lipid metabolism will be in normal ranges.

Keep an eye on BP.

Aromasin is a great AI but is dosed differently. Proviron is an oral DHT similar to masteron.

HCG would be ideal. Without it, your recovery post cycle may lag.

MuscleInk

[EKFitness]

Clomiphene: 75/50/50/50
Tamoxifen: 40/20/20/20

Milk thistle (MT) is ok. It's a weaker liver protectant IMO but others will disagree. Since the only oral is tbol, you should be ok. How much MT do you plan on taking?

Krill is superior to fish oil. Niacin would be another formidable product as would Cholestoff Plus and CoQ10 unless you know for sure your lipid metabolism will be in normal ranges.

Keep an eye on BP.

Aromasin is a great AI but is dosed differently. Proviron is an oral DHT similar to masteron.

HCG would be ideal. Without it, your recovery post cycle may lag.

MuscleInk

thanks a lot, you've been really helpful. will reduce clomid and bump the nolva

I bounced back real great on my first test e cycle with a clomid only pct. this was 3 years ago. will take your advice and the suggested support supps. cheers!

[MuscleInk]

thanks a lot, you've been really helpful. will reduce clomid and bump the nolva

I bounced back real great on my first test e cycle with a clomid only pct. this was 3 years ago. will take your advice and the suggested support supps. cheers!

No problem.

Good luck. Be safe!

MuscleInk

[petapopin1]

test and winny yo

[fit2bOld]

Another old thread, really Petapoppin. You can stop now.