alpha pharma, pro chem, signature, or galenika

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 10:16 AM

Has anyone ever ran there products? They are all supposedly Pharma grade. In theory all pharmaceutical grade should be exactly the same but I know from using various brands of narcotics that that's simply just not the truth.

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 10:25 AM

Sorry posted on wrong forum can you please move it to the correct forum thanks

**marcus300** · 03-08-2013, 10:26 AM

those arent pharm grade they are ugl. pro chem have a very good rep in the uk, big names run that lab

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 10:32 AM

Alpha pharma isn't pharma grade?

**marcus300** · 03-08-2013, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

Alpha pharma isn't pharma grade? I thought it was because it was posted under the pharma grade injectables

well its kind of tricky one really but alpha and pro chem have very good rep in the uk, more so pro chem imho.

**marcus300** · 03-08-2013, 10:54 AM

sorry, edit pro chem is ugl

**XxAndreaxX** · 03-08-2013, 11:13 AM

I'm pretty shure my last prochem tren A was underdosed, to have the same effect of the 2013 batch with 0,5ml ED, I had to shoot 0,7-0,75. I heard good things about signature, maybe next time I'll change to signature.
Prochem is a big name, but there are many things I don't like
-Dark vials, what do they have to hide??
-Bad spellings (Trenbelone instead of Trenbolone )
-no really updated labels, and not professional at all.
-no packaging
-IMO very underdosed batches

But must tell: no PIP at all, very smooth pins.
good price.
I don't know if I would run Prochem again, If yes, I'd buy double the vials, in case of underdosed batches.
I would hear something about signature pharma

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 11:47 AM

What about alpha pharma

**Gaspaco** · 03-08-2013, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

What about alpha pharma

Alpha is pretty decent UGL.

**Drops** · 03-08-2013, 12:55 PM

Alpha Pharma is not UGL lol.

**johnnymctrance** · 03-08-2013, 12:59 PM

Prochem is one of the highest rated ugls in the UK.... go with that!

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 01:20 PM

Why would I go with underground when I can get Pharma grade? i. e. Alpha pharma

**Bonaparte** · 03-08-2013, 01:27 PM

Alpha is a gray area. They are considered pharma grade in India, where their products can be found in hospitals, but they make drugs unapproved by any FDA and without any medical legitimacy (like superdrol/methasteron), which is illegal. My understanding is that they're basically a UGL that set up shop in the third world and bought/bribed their way into the pharmaceutical industry.
Definitely not held to the same standards as a Western pharma company.

**Gaspaco** · 03-08-2013, 01:30 PM

^^^agree

Alpha is UGL!

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 02:21 PM

Galenika isn't an ugl is it??!?!?

**swm1972** · 03-08-2013, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX

I'm pretty shure my last prochem tren A was underdosed, to have the same effect of the 2013 batch with 0,5ml ED, I had to shoot 0,7-0,75. I heard good things about signature, maybe next time I'll change to signature.
Prochem is a big name, but there are many things I don't like
-Dark vials, what do they have to hide??
-Bad spellings (Trenbelone instead of Trenbolone )
-no really updated labels, and not professional at all.
-no packaging
-IMO very underdosed batches

But must tell: no PIP at all, very smooth pins.
good price.
I don't know if I would run Prochem again, If yes, I'd buy double the vials, in case of underdosed batches.
I would hear something about signature pharma

My pharmaceutical prescribed hrt testosterone comes in dark vials. And they aren't hiding anything. Amber vials is about preserving quality, not concealing anything.

**swm1972** · 03-08-2013, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

Galenika isn't an ugl is it??!?!?

Negative. Human grade test enth made by ICN in Serbia.

**Booz** · 03-08-2013, 05:19 PM

alphapharma is very good gear but make sure you get the stuff from Mumbai as that its meant to be very good,there is a copy of alphapharma with Asia on the label steer well clear of that as its ****ing shit......both exactly the same boxes n vials but ones made in Mumbai n the other asia so if you take that option then make sure its the one from Mumbai....
oh and as my mate Marcus said pro-chem has a very good rep overhear

**clarky.** · 03-08-2013, 05:42 PM

Lot's of talk about pro chem in the uk that they have been busted stoped production any way asked ma source about this he has used pc for years and said it's true there fu*ked that's all he stocked so finding new labs.

**Booz** · 03-08-2013, 05:44 PM

yeah I heard the same mate.....im sure its happened before so they will be back at some point..

**clarky.** · 03-08-2013, 05:50 PM

Hope so mate good gear never had any probs with them.

**Metalject** · 03-09-2013, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Alpha is a gray area. They are considered pharma grade in India, where their products can be found in hospitals, but they make drugs unapproved by any FDA and without any medical legitimacy (like superdrol/methasteron), which is illegal. My understanding is that they're basically a UGL that set up shop in the third world and bought/bribed their way into the pharmaceutical industry.
Definitely not held to the same standards as a Western pharma company.

I guess it's been about three years or so, maybe four that this argument about Alpha Pharma has been going on. Two points:

1. Some argue that they can't be human grade based on a few of the products they carry, i.e. Trenbolone and Methyldrostenolone, the latter you pointed out. However, Methyldrostenolone was actually created by Syntex in the 1950's, an undeniably human grade manufacturer. While no human grade version has been available in a long time we can't say it never was. Same for Trenbolone, which was actually a prescribed human grade steroid in the form of Parabolon for 30+ years.

2. I've heard the argument about them being a shady deal bribing their way to their position. Maybe this is true, I don't know. However, when Alpha Pharma has brought three law suites to U.S. courts this makes me question this argument. I can't think of one UGL on earth that would bring cases to U.S. courts if that company didn't have some level of legitimacy behind it. I'm not saying this confirms a final judgement but it is enough to make me question the overall anti-human grade claims of some.

**swm1972** · 03-09-2013, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I guess it's been about three years or so, maybe four that this argument about Alpha Pharma has been going on. Two points:

1. Some argue that they can't be human grade based on a few of the products they carry, i.e. Trenbolone and Methyldrostenolone, the latter you pointed out. However, Methyldrostenolone was actually created by Syntex in the 1950's, an undeniably human grade manufacturer. While no human grade version has been available in a long time we can't say it never was. Same for Trenbolone, which was actually a prescribed human grade steroid in the form of Parabolon for 30+ years.

2. I've heard the argument about them being a shady deal bribing their way to their position. Maybe this is true, I don't know. However, when Alpha Pharma has brought three law suites to U.S. courts this makes me question this argument. I can't think of one UGL on earth that would bring cases to U.S. courts if that company didn't have some level of legitimacy behind it. I'm not saying this confirms a final judgement but it is enough to make me question the overall anti-human grade claims of some.

Good points meta. Additionally the point the previous post made about compounds with no medical use isn't a valid one. There are literally thousands of effective compounds that aren't FDA approved that are commonly used in other areas of the world. The FDA is a real pain in the ass to pass their approval process.

A friend of a friend that has lymphoma and just started an 'experimental' trial treatment that has been used for decades in the former communist bloc. These drugs have been saving lives there for nearly a generation, but the FDA allowed politics and preference toward us pharmaceutical companies rule over common sense.