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[Brave Dave]

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[MuscleInk]

What about an AI?
Are you going to consider HCG?
Why clomiphene only for PCT?

What's your bf estimate?

[Brave Dave]

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[MuscleInk]

I'm not sure what my body fat % is but I know it's not that high; my ab muscles are visible. I'm only running clomd for pct because it's my first time and I want to see how i react to only 1 chemical at a time.

How recommended is an AI? The people I've talked to who have done tst said they didn't experience gyno.

This bugs me every time. Elevated estrogen can do so much more than cause gyno. It increases risk for deep vein thrombosis, peripheral vascular diseases in general and numerous cardiac events. Estrogen will also contribute to prostate issues including cancer!

Don't be fooled by what you DON'T see. Just because you don't have gyno doesn't mean you aren't walking around like a cardiac time bomb.

[Brave Dave]

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[austinite]

Good coverage, Muscle Ink.

Good call, Brave Dave.

[MuscleInk]

Good point. I'll get my hands on some armidex then.

Thank you! That makes my night.

Be safe.

[MickeyKnox]

Good job MI.


Brave Dave,

Take a peek at this link when you get a chance. It covers everything including, AI's SERM's, PCT's, and hCG.

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

[MuscleInk]

Good job MI.

Brave Dave,

Take a peek at this link when you get a chance. It covers everything including, AI's SERM's, PCT's, and hCG.

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

Was hoping you'd show up and post your scholarly links!

[MickeyKnox]

Im like a Shadfly, shine the light and i'll show up.

[MuscleInk]

Im like a Shadfly, shine the light and i'll show up.

My bad. I was leaving a trail of tren for you to follow. I'll go clean that up right away then!!!!

[dawg4life]

Hey guys; I want to know what people think about my program as well as any pointers you can give me. I will be doing tst E only. I'm 6'4'' 245lbs and I'm looking to be around 260ish post program. I also want to keep good endurance and have good gains on Bench, Squat, and Hang Clean. I have 8 years lifting experience and I'm also an athlete.

Weeks 1-10: 300 tst e twice a week.
+In every Monday morning and Thursday evening.

Weeks 10-12: Nothing.

Weeks 13-16: clomd 100/50/50/50

I have my workout ready which is 3 days a week full body workouts and 3 days of cardio and plyometrics. My diet is set as well; I will be consuming around 3800 calories a day. I'm also getting blood work done next week to see where i'm at now naturally. Please share any thoughts or pointers.

This is exactly the cycle I will be trying next month. I will be using Armidex EOD at .25 though. I think I am going to run the test for 12 weeks also. Do you think that Clomid only is g2g for a PCT? I've read so many different opinions on this....

[MickeyKnox]

This is exactly the cycle I will be trying next month. I will be using Armidex EOD at .25 though. I think I am going to run the test for 12 weeks also. Do you think that Clomid only is g2g for a PCT? I've read so many different opinions on this....

Start your own thread please. Thanks

[Brave Dave]

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[MuscleInk]

Do you think .5mgs of arimidex from weeks 1-12 is a good amount? Also should i run it for the PCT with the clomid?

0.25mg EOD for entire cycle. Not needed for PCT.
Good idea to have lipid panel checked at end of cycle. Anabolic compounds and AIs affect lipid metabolism in negative way and can lead to hyperlipidemia/hypercholesterolemia.

[Brave Dave]

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[Antonious]

Its better to have letro on hand just in case, but up to you

[MuscleInk]

Its better to have letro on hand just in case, but up to you

Letro is very harsh and will wreck havoc on his lipid metabolism. It's unnecessary unless you are treating gyno.

Adex or aromasin should be run on any cycle with aromatizing compounds. You never keep something "on hand" just in case (unless as I suggested, you keep letro available to treat gyno - but using a proper AI during cycle should prevent this and other estrogenic risks).

[MuscleInk]

Ok; thanks MuscleInk. You've been really helpful.

No problem. That's why we're here!

[Antonious]

Letro is very harsh and will wreck havoc on his lipid metabolism. It's unnecessary unless you are treating gyno.

Adex or aromasin should be run on any cycle with aromatizing compounds. You never keep something "on hand" just in case (unless as I suggested, you keep letro available to treat gyno - but using a proper AI during cycle should prevent this and other estrogenic risks).

That's what i meant, probably best to have it as its his first time and he doesn't know how he will react. Am i wrong?

[MuscleInk]

That's what i meant, probably best to have it as its his first time and he doesn't know how he will react. Am i wrong?

Letro is overkill and as I said it WILL screw up his lipid metabolism and contribute to hyperlipidemia and hypercholesterolemia. Aromasin is a safer choice with Anastrozole as a secondary if aromasin is unavailable. Anastrozole works quickly and has a half life nearly 48 hours long. It will negatively effect lipids as well but isn't as bad as femara (letro).

[Brave Dave]

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[Antonious]

Most people prefer to run both to cover all sides, but MuscleInk knows it all in depth and can answer that better

[Brave Dave]

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[MuscleInk]

I can see why people do it but it seems redundant and a waste of money.

Second time typing this out. Damn phone.

Tamoxifen is a SERM with estrogenic and anti-estrogenic properties and is used mostly during PCT to prevent estrogen binding and to help restart the testes - although the latter effect is much weaker with tamoxifen.

Clomiphene (clomid) on the other hand is better at inducing spermatogenesis. When you cycle an exogenous hormone like test-C, test-E, etc. your natural testosterone production will stop and your sperm count will drop. For guys concerned about fertility issues, clomid is more effective at inducing spermatogenesis. Some people however, are hypersensitive to the side effects of clomid and therefore don't use it. Unless you are a TRT patient, are hypersensitive to clomid, or aren't worried about our own reproductive potential, clomid is always recommended as part of your PCT with tamoxifen.

[Antonious]

^^^This guy is amazing

[dawg4life]

Hey guys; I want to know what people think about my program as well as any pointers you can give me. I will be doing tst E only. I'm 6'4'' 245lbs and I'm looking to be around 260ish post program. I also want to keep good endurance and have good gains on Bench, Squat, and Hang Clean. I have 8 years lifting experience and I'm also an athlete.

Weeks 1-10: 300 tst e twice a week.
+In every Monday morning and Thursday evening.

Weeks 10-12: Nothing.

Weeks 13-16: clomd 100/50/50/50

I have my workout ready which is 3 days a week full body workouts and 3 days of cardio and plyometrics. My diet is set as well; I will be consuming around 3800 calories a day. I'm also getting blood work done next week to see where i'm at now naturally. Please share any thoughts or pointers.

Please let us know how your cycle goes and good luck.

[swm1972]

Anastrozole as a secondary if aromasin is unavailable. Anastrozole works quickly and has a half life nearly 48 hours long. It will negatively effect lipids as well but isn't as bad as femara (letro).

This is what I am prescribed with my HRT. They prescribe EOD. I typically only use it twice a week and feel that is sufficient.

[MR10X]

Letro is overkill and as I said it WILL screw up his lipid metabolism and contribute to hyperlipidemia and hypercholesterolemia. Aromasin is a safer choice with Anastrozole as a secondary if aromasin is unavailable. Anastrozole works quickly and has a half life nearly 48 hours long. It will negatively effect lipids as well but isn't as bad as femara (letro).

What about estrogen rebound with adex when you stop using it and your test levels are within range.

[AnabolicDoc]

^^^This guy is amazing

That's bc in addition to 10-20 years of self education, training, publishing medical literature, and more he has completed about a thousand degrees, residencies, and fellowships. Oh and he's also an accomplished physician and researcher.

And you get his advice all without having to step foot in a waiting room or provide a copay. He's one of a kind. Just don't get him started on the non-cosmetic dangers of estrogen :-)

I just mention all this bc a lot of new members (and I am new myself) don't realize how much time and effort has been put in by the more knowledgeable members on this forum. And in addition to years of dedication and self-education, many are successful medical/health/science professionals or even professional bodybuilders. I just think it's very nice that so many ppl are willing to sacrifice their own time to help others here. After typing this all on my phone I just realized that this has nothing to do with the thread and I probably should have just started my own. Sorry OP.

[Brave Dave]

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[MickeyKnox]

That's bc in addition to 10-20 years of self education, training, publishing medical literature, and more he has completed about a thousand degrees, residencies, and fellowships. Oh and he's also an accomplished physician and researcher.

And you get his advice all without having to step foot in a waiting room or provide a copay. He's one of a kind. Just don't get him started on the non-cosmetic dangers of estrogen :-)

I just mention all this bc a lot of new members (and I am new myself) don't realize how much time and effort has been put in by the more knowledgeable members on this forum. And in addition to years of dedication and self-education, many are successful medical/health/science professionals or even professional bodybuilders. I just think it's very nice that so many ppl are willing to sacrifice their own time to help others here. After typing this all on my phone I just realized that this has nothing to do with the thread and I probably should have just started my own. Sorry OP.

He's definitely one of my favorite personalities on this Board. His daily expertise and knowledge base is embraced and welcomed, and im glad we have him here.

I really do appreciate all the advice I have been given. I'm not starting the cycle till the begging of April so around that time I will either resurrect this post or make a new one. Once again thanks everyone(especially you Muscle Ink) for all the help.

Good call buddy. We'll be here when you begin.

[Brave Dave]

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[AnabolicDoc]

What about HCG?

[MickeyKnox]

Hey guys; I'm about to start on Monday and wanted to finalize my cycle and make sure I've got all areas covered.

Weeks 1-10: 250 mgs Test E twice a week/ Arimidex .25 mgs EOD
Weeks 10-12: Arimidex .25 mgs EOD
Weeks 13-16: clomid 100/50/50/50

If theres anything wrong please let me know.

Most Common Beginners Cycles.

Option 1. Long Ester

Wk 1-10 Testosterone Enanthate (i changed Cyp to Enth for this cycle) = 200mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD – monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1- 11.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 12 to wk 16

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

[Brave Dave]

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[taz89]

Hcg is usualy pinned with a insulin needle....

[MickeyKnox]

Can i mix the HCG in the same pin as the test?

Can you? Certainly you can. But like Taz stated, its typically pinned using a slin pin SubQ. In fact it's easier, if using only 2ml BW for reconstitution. It would be difficult to draw .10cc into a standard 3cc pin.

Stick with the slin pin and administer it SubQ.

[Brave Dave]

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