I have been religiously studying the effects of AAS and women, doses and duration, and overall health. There is so little info out there that it is time for us to collectively get some things in order. For me, and many of you guys I'm sure, your wives or girlfriends might be interested in the use of AAS based on the results that they have seen from us. Without the help of the members on this site, I wouldnt have the confidence to guide my wife into using these compounds.
There is so much intrest in all of the womens logs from men here trying to learn, so I hope that this thread will help clear things up. Hopefully the women here can chime in on their experiences, as well as the men that are "in the know" based on training women, or their better halfs using. This should be helpful to all who are interested in learning about the effects of AAS on women, and there is alot of us wanting to know, no doubt about that. Here is a little bit of what I have learned from reading up on the internet. I am not certain any of these are accurate, and this is just a guideline as to the compounds and doses, and the duration of cycles based off of several websites, and members here that I've taken notes from over the past year.
ANAVAR
This seems to be the first choice for women who are getting into or are curious about AAS. Although expensive, it can be very cheap for a woman due to the low doses that they need to see the benefits.
Typical dose for women :
5-10mgs is sufficient. Some women say 25mgs to be optimal, but from my limited understanding, there is more of a risk of virilization at doses over 10mgs. Even 10mgs can be troublesome for some women, but it is rare.
Typical duration of cycle :
6 weeks for beginners, some can opt for 8 with experience and knowledge of the compound and thier own body.
Additional Supplementation:
TUDCA, UDCA, NAC, or Liv52 should be used to protect the liver, as anavar is a 17-A steriod that survives the first pass through the liver. Some omegas like fish oil or krill oil would be another beneficial, as oral anabolics can be harsh on lipid panels and BP.
PRIMOBOLAN
This compound is THE compound for women. The enanthate ester is a long ester that is used for the injectable verion of Primo. There is an Acetate ester that is used as an oral version, which is the preferred method of delivery for women. Women seem to tolerate the oral version and see better results than men, as less of the compound is needed to see results. Oral Primo is typically a poor choice for men because the bioavailability is poor and alot is needed.
[B]Typical Dose for Women:[/]
50-100mgs weekly of Primo Depot, 25mgs everyday of the oral Primo. Higher doses could possibly cause virilization in some women.
Typical Duration of Cycle:
Primo A can be used for 8-12 weeks. Primo Depot for women should be used no more than 15 or 16 weeks at higher doses. This could be extended longer if used at lower doses I would imagine, as many men run this compoud for a long time. The choice would have to be left up to the person. They have to be comfortable with the risk to reward ratio and be able to handle weekly injections. I would imagine pinning 2x weekly would be the best method for women in order to keep plasma levels stable.
Additional Supplementation :
Fish or krill oil is a staple in my book for all AAS. Cholesterol and BP issue can come from any AAS, so it is best to be safe in this regard.
WINSTROL
Winstrol is a very anabolic compound and should be monitored closely when used by women. This compound seems to be notorious for causing "manish" features, and I personally know a woman who has a deeper voice than mine because of winstrol. I can only imagine the other "issues" she might have. This compound is very harsh on the liver, so proper liver protection should be used at all times. It causes havoc on cholesterol as well.
Typical Dose for Women:
5-10mgs everyday is typical. I would start at 5mgs and only move up if there was a sense of comfort there. For experienced or competitive women, 25mgs everyday or every other day can be used, but I have to warn you, this can lead to severe side effects for women. This is what I have seen first hand. It can lead to an amazing physique, but can deepen the voice and cause enlargement of areas I am not comfortable mentioning on the board.
Typical Duration of Cycle:
4-6 weeks is about all I would do. Winstrols harshness on the liver is my biggest concern. I love winstrol, but would limit myself to a 4 week on, 4 week off during a longer cycle. I think 4 weeks is plenty, but as long as proper supplementation is used, 6 weeks can be fine. I would never recommend going over 6 weeks for myself or anyone else.
Additional Supplementation:
TUDCA, UDCA, NAC, or Liv52. For this one, I would personally use 2. I know hepatoxicity is alot of time blown out of proportion, but I feel that going overboard on liver protection is a good idea, especially for AAS that is know to be very liver toxic. Better safe than sorry here, and there is no real concern in using 2 liver protectants anyways.
MASTERON
Masteron is one of those compounds that I personally am on the fence about for women. Ive heard of women using it, but never have seen first hand. I would imagine there could besome virilization with masteron if used in moderate to higher doses. It is known to cause pre-mature hairloss in men, but for women, I'm ignorant and just dont know. Maybe some of you can chime in here. I do know masteron is not used alot by women. There is a propionate ester(short) and an enanthate ester(long).
Typical Doses for Women:
For women, unless they like pinning microscopic amounts of AAS multiple times a week, I would recommend the enanthate ester. This could be pinned twice weekly, or even once if wanted. It would also be easier to accurately dose, unless you wanted to use an insulin syringe for the propionate ester. I cant find anything about does for women, but I know men run it from 400-800mgs weekly, so I would guess women would need much, much less. I can only guess(need some help here) but I would say that like Primo, 50-100mgs weekly would be sufficient.
Typical Duration of Cycle:
For the propionate ester, 6-8 weeks would be all that was needed. For the enanthate ester, 10-12 should be fine. Be very careful to monitor side effects with this one. I wouldnt use until we get more information on the effects of this certain compounds on women. Side effects could be harsh with this one.
Additional Supplementation:
Omegas for sure. Masteron is harsh on lipids for sure. Blood pressure can also be a concern, so like I said, monitor sides.
This is some of what little information I have gathered since joining. I know it is only a guideline and not set in stone. I am hoping to get alot of feedback for this, as I am wanting to learn all that I can on this subject. Any other compounds that I may have missed or dont know about, feel free to add. Any misinformation, feel free to correct. This info is all from this site, other sites, and people I personally know. As will and AAS, monitor side effects. Check BP at least 3x a week while on cycle. Be safe.
Please guys, lets get as much knowledge as we can on this subject. I know you guys know 10x more than me, so this can be a go to for women here to look at. I want to feel comfortable when we get new female members here n order to help them where I can, and you guys the same. Add all you like to this! Female members, chime in! Thanks for reading.