Not ideal, but could work?

[emp]

Hey, im soon going to be running a new cycle, after a year off AAS.

i have bought the test, tren, anavar, nolva and caber.

initially i was gonna run it with a little ari on the side. but i just got the word from my guy, that hes out of ari. he didnt have an estimate for when he could get a hold of it again, but it could take 2-3-4 months(as he only buys in big bulks or whatever).

ofc i wanna run my cycle before the summer, and cant really wait 3 months for some ari.

so, he did have masteron. and, I know, not nearly as effective as ari(not even comparable rly..), but it does help some on hindering the aromatization into estrogen.

my cycle was initially

1-9 175mg test
1-8 350mg parabolan (tren hex)
5-10 60mg anavar
1-10 1mg caber ew
11-15 40/40/20/20/20 nolva

so my question is, how "bad" do u think it will be of me to add mast instead of the ari? u think 175mg test ew will give me more problems than the mast can handle?
ill be using mast di prop ofc, and ill get 2000mg of mast at the same price as i would with 20 pills of arimidex(as a compensation...which I in general dont like, but its not like i havent already bought the other stuff)

how would u dose the mast, in this case?

because of work in the summer, i wont be able to cycle, and ofc i want to cycle before the summer..i might also(because of work), never have time to ever run a serious cycle again(i realize "serious" is kinda ironic, seeing im trying to sneak my way around how i really should do things, im just simply trying to "make ends meet"...).

im just looking for some strength gain during this cycle, since ive been off for a while and have only been maintaining with low effort, previous gains. now im back with passion, on diet, and just really really looking forward to cycling.

please help me cycle

[MickeyKnox]

I would not be running ANY cycle without a solid AI included in my cycle. You can purchase Arimidex form the site sponsor. AR-R.com

[redz]

Run an ai for sure.

[Gaspaco]

I would not be running ANY cycle without a solid AI included in my cycle. You can purchase Arimidex form the site sponsor. AR-R.com

^^^agree

[austinite]

AI's are so readily available. Why wouldnt you? Certainly don't count on Mast doing an AI's job to the fullest.

[Lunk1]

I agree...get a REAL AI but if you can get the Mast at a really good price and your BF% is low...toss it in your cycle! Mast with test and tren is fantastic!

[emp]

yeah, like i expected. ive never bought off the internet before, but i guess i dont have a lot to lose. if customs get a hold of it, arimidex prob isnt the worst thing i can get caught with.

thx guys!

[emp]

I would not be running ANY cycle without a solid AI included in my cycle. You can purchase Arimidex form the site sponsor. AR-R.com

thx! i see i can also order liquid prami. how is this compared to caber? my caber here in norway, will actually be way more expensive(ive put in the order and but didnt have to pay before next week) than the prami. i dont know a lot about prami, but what do u ppl think. should i try to get the prami aswell, instead of the caber(really expensive here in norway...)

anyone have experience with prami? are the sides annoying? can u do anything about them?


thx again guys!

[emp]

I agree...get a REAL AI but if you can get the Mast at a really good price and your BF% is low...toss it in your cycle! Mast with test and tren is fantastic!

yap, i know..heard good things! but ill be getting my AI, and my bf isnt low enough, and dont think just a little mast will do anything this time around

[emp]

I would not be running ANY cycle without a solid AI included in my cycle. You can purchase Arimidex form the site sponsor. AR-R.com

no one is answering the mail. or it says its not getting through. kinda need to know if they ship to my country : )

suggestions?

[Perseverance1]

no one is answering the mail. or it says its not getting through. kinda need to know if they ship to my country : )

suggestions?

175mg test isn't much....if you don't have gyno issues you'll be fine without an AI. I've been running 250mg test/week for 6 weeks and although I haven't gotten bloodwork yet I also haven't had any E2 issues arise.

I would never advise against an AI but if you can't get it I wouldn't really be worried about it with your small test dose.

I'd also wait for the mast until you can get at least 8000mgs of it, as it's effective dosage is 500-800mg per week.

[MickeyKnox]

thx! i see i can also order liquid prami. how is this compared to caber? my caber here in norway, will actually be way more expensive(ive put in the order and but didnt have to pay before next week) than the prami. i dont know a lot about prami, but what do u ppl think. should i try to get the prami aswell, instead of the caber(really expensive here in norway...)

anyone have experience with prami? are the sides annoying? can u do anything about them?


thx again guys!

Prami and Caber are both dopamine agonists and perform similar roles. Prami is a bit cheaper but may give you the jimmies. So if you decide to run with this one, take it at night to alleviate most of the sides. Get one or the other, not both.

no one is answering the mail. or it says its not getting through. kinda need to know if they ship to my country : )

suggestions?

Post your questions about AR-R.com here..

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.UUD3MzcUX0E

[MickeyKnox]

175mg test isn't much....if you don't have gyno issues you'll be fine without an AI. I've been running 250mg test/week for 6 weeks and although I haven't gotten bloodwork yet I also haven't had any E2 issues arise.

I would never advise against an AI but if you can't get it I wouldn't really be worried about it with your small test dose.

I'd also wait for the mast until you can get at least 8000mgs of it, as it's effective dosage is 500-800mg per week.

200mg/wk gives me E2 sides. I get acne and ED problems. So i use Adex and because of the longer half life, i can stretch it .25 E3D.

Im only mentioning this because everyone is different, and he may or may not be sensitive to exogenous testosterone. I know for a fact that i am sensitive to testosterone and estrogen fluctuations.

Best to have your AI on hand at ALL times. Start with a low dose of .25 E3D and monitor through blood work, or visual and felt sides IF you know your body well.

[swm1972]

200mg/wk gives me E2 sides. I get acne and ED problems. So i use Adex and because of the longer half life, i can stretch it .25 E3D.

Im only mentioning this because everyone is different, and he may or may not be sensitive to exogenous testosterone. I know for a fact that i am sensitive to testosterone and estrogen fluctuations.

Best to have your AI on hand at ALL times. Start with a low dose of .25 E3D and monitor through blood work, or visual and felt sides IF you know your body well.

I notice very little sides at 200mgs a week (as stated before, this is prescribed) but the doctor insists on prescribing an AI too. Unfortunately, it costs more then the damn testosterone does. I assume if the doctor requires it, there is a legitimate medical necessity. I trust this mans opinion and knowledge on these matters 100%.

[warmouth]

175mg test isn't much....if you don't have gyno issues you'll be fine without an AI. I've been running 250mg test/week for 6 weeks and although I haven't gotten bloodwork yet I also haven't had any E2 issues arise.

I would never advise against an AI but if you can't get it I wouldn't really be worried about it with your small test dose.

I'd also wait for the mast until you can get at least 8000mgs of it, as it's effective dosage is 500-800mg per week.

Not for everyone. I have e2 sides at my trt dose of 125mgs weekly and BW to prove it. I think it depends on the person. Best to have an AI on hand even running extremely low doses.

[MickeyKnox]

I notice very little sides at 200mgs a week (as stated before, this is prescribed) but the doctor insists on prescribing an AI too. Unfortunately, it costs more then the damn testosterone does. I assume if the doctor requires it, there is a legitimate medical necessity. I trust this mans opinion and knowledge on these matters 100%.

Your one of the lucky ones who dont respond adversely to E2. But i agree with you, if the Doc is prescribing it, there must be a reason.

How are your bloods? Any indication you're axiomatizing more than you suspect, minus the usual signs? That's the tricky part. If you don't have access to routine blood work and also dont exhibit the usual signs of high (or low) E2, its difficult to tell what you should be doing in terms of your AI. But I know you've been at this game long enough that you know what to look for.

Thankfully my body lets me know almost immediately whats going on and if i need to increase my AI or not.

[Perseverance1]

Not for everyone. I have e2 sides at my trt dose of 125mgs weekly and BW to prove it. I think it depends on the person. Best to have an AI on hand even running extremely low doses.

I seemed to think "if you don't have gyno issues" would cover the e2 sensitivity possibilities but I guess I wasn't specific enough...

[emp]

i am gyno sensitive, ive gotten both estro and prog-related gyno. problem is, ive never run test as low as 175 ew(only 500 and 600 ew). so i have no idea as to how sensitive i am to low doses.

ive ordered my caber and aromasin now, so im good to go. i also got really really struck with acne on my test+deca cycle(without any AI or dop-agon) so i will most def be using aro 10mg ed and 0.5-1mg caber ew. just to be sure. im not gonna find out if im sensitive or not, because like u said mickey, "us" who have acne issues, I and my doc believes much of it comes from the inbalance in hormonelevels all together.

when i started working out again, after a long break, i got some acne on my chest and back(where i had real issues while on cycle), just because my body was producing more test than it had been for a long time(checked out with blood work). so i probably shouldnt roid at all, just because of my acne issues, but im trying out with caber and aro this time around, to see if its of any help. im sure i wont get gyno, but really hope my acne doesnt come back. cause there aint nothing more sad, than to have gained like crazy, and having to wearing a t-shirt to the beach because u look like shit.

ill keep u updated. starting on monday. REALLY excited!!

thx a lot for all the help guys, much appreciated!