Newbie question: 72 kg to 77kg

[pressure]

Hi everyone.

I'm 19 years old, practicing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in my spare time.
My trainer is often talking about taking anabolic steroids , since my weight class goes up to 76kg.
Currently I've been training 10 months, I have eaten the on an off cycle with bulk and cut, whey and casein proteins and so forth, but no significant improvements.
I have taken his point of view, and admitted I need a boost to compete on another level.
But the thing is, I have no idea about steroids, how to take them, and probably more I don't know about this topic.

Anyone here care to share?

[Gaspaco]

Hello my friend!

You are too young to even consider AAS.

5ks is not that much with your natural testosterone production to achieve.

Whey and casein powders are great supplements but good DIET full of real food is what you really need.

Hit the nutrition section, those guys there are PROs!

Train hard, eat a lot and have a lot of rest you will achieve everything what you WANT!!!

[MickeyKnox]

Dont do it. And if you trainer tells you to, give him a round house to the throat.

Read these links and ask yourself if your health and endocrine system is worth it? After your finish growing and you system matures, then you can consider it. But for n ow you have to be nuts to put that into your body now. Don't be foolish.

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.ULk5-mfX_fs

Cycles Gone Wrong for the Young

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UL2db2fX_fs

[bigsiv]

It's strange your trainer wanting you to put weight on when your natural weight is lower. If you put weight on too quick whether with anabolics or not your body takes time to get use to the extra weight.

A sport like this your at your fittest when your at the top of your weight category so common sense would tell you to drop down to the lower weight category.

This is something I use to do and struggle with every year when I was boxing. Trying to make the weight was normally harder than the fights. The only time you go up in weight is when your body refuses to lose an ounce more weight and you have no choice. Then and only then you move up to the next weight category.

(I won't get started on my perception of using anabolics to win fights I.e cheating because I bet you could do without me ranting lol)

[pressure]

I have a basic calorie intake (how is it explained in english?) of 1800 per day, and I eat 350-450 more calories each day, where 20% comes from fat, 25% from proteins, and 55% from carbs, which is total of 630-730 gram.

I am very much aware that my natural test production might stop for good, that i might get liver caner or failure, possibly even worse acne, my heartrate will rise, my school teachers, friends and parents will look down upon me, but you know, this sport is what I want, not in 5 years from now, but I want it in 3 months for my 1st tournament after 12 months of training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

[pressure]

By the way, I eat my own home made snack bar with whey protein, almonds, coconut crumbs, milk and my own secret ingredient, gets me to the fat % I need per day, I am kind of proud of those

[Bonaparte]

Do you even lift?
This is a terrible idea.

[lolfb]

I have a basic calorie intake (how is it explained in english?) of 1800 per day, and I eat 350-450 more calories each day, where 20% comes from fat, 25% from proteins, and 55% from carbs, which is total of 630-730 gram.

I am very much aware that my natural test production might stop for good, that i might get liver caner or failure, possibly even worse acne, my heartrate will rise, my school teachers, friends and parents will look down upon me, but you know, this sport is what I want, not in 5 years from now, but I want it in 3 months for my 1st tournament after 12 months of training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

might want to work on your diet first. I eat 250g of protein a day at least. According to your outline, I would have to also eat 200g of fat. I'd be packing on a huge gut even while on cycle with that much fat.

[pressure]

Yes, I've have had a year of training experience, then I stopped for 2 years, now I've been training for 10 months, and this time focused on diet.

[pressure]

might want to work on your diet first. I eat 250g of protein a day at least. According to your outline, I would have to also eat 200g of fat. I'd be packing on a huge gut even while on cycle with that much fat.

That much protein is hard for the liver to break down, it breaks down into ammonia, that alcohol also does, when eating ammonia in high amounts, as say in licorice, it makes you fart and gives you diarrhea.
I got headache irritated eyes, made me fart and gave lot of darrhea after first time taking protein supplement, though it only was 140g.

[tarmyg]

I would drop that trainer and head for a new outfit. Dumbest advice ever!

[EyE]

Dont do it. And if you trainer tells you to, give him a round house to the throat.

Read these links and ask yourself if your health and endocrine system is worth it? After your finish growing and you system matures, then you can consider it. But for n ow you have to be nuts to put that into your body now. Don't be foolish.

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.ULk5-mfX_fs

Cycles Gone Wrong for the Young

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UL2db2fX_fs

^this

[Provita]

By first glance it looks like you caloric intake is too little. Calculate you TDEE and see for yourself and give us your results...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UUYdofoazTo

If anyone wants to bulk up, even those using aas, if their diet is not in check, they will not gain any weight. So diet and training comes way before AAS.

AAS will not help at your age. Your body is producing enough Test as is.

[pressure]

Calculation said BMR on 1883 calories, with exercise, 2590 calories, so I may be 250-350 calories short, but for the last 4 months, I've gained 2 kg, so I consider it to be fulfilling at the moment(which actually means I'm 74 kg by now).


Depending on reliability of people or sites, I'm going to do one of these cycles:


8 weeks, Tren Ace 75mg/ml, eod OR 8 weeks, Test Prop 100-200mg/ml, eod
8 weeks, Arimidex .5mg, eod OR 8 weeks, Clomid 150mg, eod


PCT:
2 weeks, hcg 500iu, ed
5 weeks, Clomid 150mg, eod

[Provita]

You are getting gains naturally bro... What more are you looking for?

Keep on training as you are training and add some calories to get to you tdee. Rule of thumb: bulking = TDEE + 500 kCals, cutting = TDEE - 500 kCal. You want to build muscle and performance, so you can up those kcals up by 800.

Just try taking that advise...

[EyE]

Calculation said BMR on 1883 calories, with exercise, 2590 calories, so I may be 250-350 calories short, but for the last 4 months, I've gained 2 kg, so I consider it to be fulfilling at the moment(which actually means I'm 74 kg by now).


Depending on reliability of people or sites, I'm going to do one of these cycles:


8 weeks, Tren Ace 75mg/ml, eod OR 8 weeks, Test Prop 100-200mg/ml, eod
8 weeks, Arimidex .5mg, eod OR 8 weeks, Clomid 150mg, eod


PCT:
2 weeks, hcg 500iu, ed
5 weeks, Clomid 150mg, eod

Have you even done any research at all!?

[Provita]

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[Bonaparte]

To answer your Q about endurance: the best way is to do anaerobic exercise. That will increase cardio vascular fitness.

How do you figure?
Anaerobic exercise will only increase muscular power and endurance, not cardiovascular endurance (what you need if you plan on going for more than 40 seconds).

[Provita]

Edit: Wrong thread

[johnnymctrance]

Have you even done any research at all!?

I agree totally

[A_Grant]

Calculation said BMR on 1883 calories, with exercise, 2590 calories, so I may be 250-350 calories short, but for the last 4 months, I've gained 2 kg, so I consider it to be fulfilling at the moment(which actually means I'm 74 kg by now).


Depending on reliability of people or sites, I'm going to do one of these cycles:


8 weeks, Tren Ace 75mg/ml, eod OR 8 weeks, Test Prop 100-200mg/ml, eod
8 weeks, Arimidex .5mg, eod OR 8 weeks, Clomid 150mg, eod


PCT:
2 weeks, hcg 500iu, ed
5 weeks, Clomid 150mg, eod

There is a line between steroid used and steroid misuse. You want to do a badly planned cycle, at a time in your life where you could be facing permanent damage, while you yourself admit that you can still make gains natty.....

My understanding of the purpose of this board is that it is here to help people make the right choice regarding gear. In your case, the right choice is obvious: DON'T DO IT. Wait at least 6 years, learn enough to plan a correct cycle and train hard. This is the only steroid advice you will get here.

[pressure]

I have, Tren is if I can't find a reliable supplier, but I think I have.
Since you seems worried for the cycle, I'm going to guess it's only one type of steroid in it, it is also abit unsettling for me too.

I'm only going to stick with Tests, as they're seems reasonably good to mass & strength.
I'm going to eat the 2500 calories a day, as I'm probably going to have a bigger appetite, of course eat one more meal between 6 and 12, then I'm up on 6-7 meals a day.

I'll browse abit for suggested cycles with sustanon in them.

The cardiovascular is a problem, I have seen people who can't even walk uphill without getting exhausted.
Worst case scenario, is I have to stop training BJJ the 8-10(or more?) weeks my body is getting used to the gains.

I depend on keeping the gains for a month after cycle, maybe put weight to 78kg, cut if neccesary, longer time on hcg if neccesary.
I'm abit concerned about weight, but I expect to be able to handle it.

[MickeyKnox]

I think this is an extremely poor decision on your part, and it just shows your lack of maturity to make an informed decision based on your health and not on vanity.

[Bonaparte]

Keeping my HR at high levels (anaerobic) 180+ for extended periods builds a crap load of cardiovascular endurance. It builds fitness, so that the next time I do the exercise, I have more output and keep the same HR as before. That is what I think you need for cross fit. What would you suggest?

That isn't true anaerobic exercise, since it goes for "extended periods of time". If you're getting enough oxygen to your muscle cells to keep going longer than a minute or two, you're leaning toward aerobics. And this definitely is not the best way to build cardiovascular endurance, or otherwise heavy lifters would be great long distance runners as well.

[pressure]

I thank you for you're concern, and I am worried, and I kind of expect some side effects, possibly need to go to doctor to get some medication prescribed, but I feel confident about doing a cycle.

[Provita]

That isn't true anaerobic exercise, since it goes for "extended periods of time". If you're getting enough oxygen to your muscle cells to keep going longer than a minute or two, you're leaning toward aerobics. And this definitely is not the best way to build cardiovascular endurance, or otherwise heavy lifters would be great long distance runners as well.

Sorry man, i posted this thing about endurance in the wrong thread....

[Provita]

I think this is an extremely poor decision on your part, and it just shows your lack of maturity to make an informed decision based on your health and not on vanity.

^^^^this

[pressure]

I'll see how it works with warming up with aerobic for 20 min, then doing to anaerobic exercises between the sets.
I'll start cycle next month and keep you updated.

[Provita]

I'll see how it works with warming up with aerobic for 20 min, then doing to anaerobic exercises between the sets.
I'll start cycle next month and keep you updated.

Huh?