please check my enth, prop, var cycle

**ml87** · 03-13-2013, 04:48 PM

Hey bros. I'm piecing together my cycle for next month.
25
195lbs
15%bf
cycled with enth, cyp, deca , winnie, dbol
Goal: drop to 10%bf, gain lean muscle mass with least bloat.

proposed cycle:
wk 1-4 prop: 100mg eod
wk 1-12 enth: 500mg/ wk
wk 1-6 or 9-14? var: 50mg ed

hcg wk 2-14: 500iu/ wk
torem wk 15-18 (specific days after last pin?)
adex on hand
nolvadex on hand

so.. most importantly, whats the protocol for kickstarting with prop? I've seen people tapering down through the 4 weeks? I have 1 bottle so the tapering might be my best bet but i can always get another bottle if need be. (please be specific with protocol)

Should i kickstart cycle with the var or end the cycle with it?

how do the pct timings look with the enth ester?

thanks bros! appreciate the help as always.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-13-2013, 04:51 PM

Adex on cycle @ .25 EOD to start. Monitor from there.

Nolva and Clomid for PCT

I would run your Var with your Prop. Do not taper - not necessary.

Other than that, it looks good.

Hows your diet?

And how tall are you?

**ml87** · 03-13-2013, 05:05 PM

thanks man. clomid always killed me during pct so i have since fallen for torem.
is var enough of a kickstart that i should just skip the possible sides from roller-coasting levels from the transition of prop to enth?
i started my cutting diet of 3200kcal 40c/40p/20f and 50c/30p/20f depending on type of day
im 5'11"

**MickeyKnox** · 03-13-2013, 05:13 PM

Ok perfect. Torem and Tamox for PCT.

The transparent truth is, my first thought when i initially read this cycle was to drop the Prop. But since you have cycled before i felt you included it for past experience reasons.

Yeah i would drop the Prop, its really not necessary. You'll get enough of a jolt from Var that you wont need Prop. Trust me.

**stpete** · 03-13-2013, 05:29 PM

Yeah, i would drop the prop and raise the Var dosage, personally.

**BBrian** · 03-13-2013, 05:40 PM

If I can add an idea, I find it a much smoother transition to stop injecting the long ester during the last two to three weeks of the cycle and replace it with an equal dose of propionate , especially since you already have that on hand. This would allow you to shorten the bridge between final injection PCT. I've noticed much less of a test crash/estrogen spike by finishing a cycle in this manner. And as Mickey and Pete pointed out, do use the Arimidex during the cycle and increase the dose of Anavar . I'd run 80mg per day of Var, personally.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-13-2013, 05:43 PM

I missed the dosage. I agree with Pete, up it to 80 for sure.

And i like Brian's idea for ending your cycle, since you already have Prop on hand.

**ml87** · 03-13-2013, 06:51 PM

Hmm interesting way to end the cycle. I might try that. Then I can start pct the day after last pin? And for var, it's my first time so 80 isn't overkill? Is var going to be like the jolt I get from dbol minus the bloat? Thanks for the great replies!

**MickeyKnox** · 03-13-2013, 06:58 PM

80mg is just about perfect. And the strength gains are similar to DBol , but no bloat. However the pumps can be painful.

**stpete** · 03-13-2013, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by ml87

Hmm interesting way to end the cycle. I might try that. Then I can start pct the day after last pin? And for var, it's my first time so 80 isn't overkill? Is var going to be like the jolt I get from dbol minus the bloat? Thanks for the great replies!

What BBrian suggested is just fine. PCT will start 3 days after last injection.

**ml87** · 03-13-2013, 08:14 PM

Are the benefits that much greater if I take the var for 6wks vs 4wks? I don't think my pockets can handle 80md Ed for 6wks (cpt's pay).

**BBrian** · 03-13-2013, 09:10 PM

Anavar is interesting in that anything below 40mg seems to have almost no noticeable affect, in my opinion at least, so just above that is probably going to provide nothing short of disappointment. And due to the very fact that it is such a costly compound, you don't want to fork out the cash for a cycle that isn't going to reward you properly. So do it right, and stick with 80mg. I'd say that four weeks is perfectly fine. As for the pumps Mickey brought up, nothing can quite ruin a workout like painful back/calf pumps. Fortunately this is easily and cheaply avoided by taking large quantities of Taurine pre-workout. 5,000mg should suffice, and if you take some time to read about the amazing organic acid that is Taurine, you'll find that no adverse effects (that I've been able to find) are associated with taking large doses of it.

**ml87** · 03-14-2013, 09:27 AM

Thanks. So does this sound right? 2 bottles of test e will last through week 10, then 1 bottle of prop @ 100mg eod will cover about 3 weeks past that? That's a 13 week cycle then run pct 3 days after last pin. I'm running var @80mg Ed wk 1-4 or 1-6 depending on budget. Adex .25 eod day 1-pct start.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-14-2013, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by ml87

Thanks. So does this sound right? 2 bottles of test e will last through week 10, then 1 bottle of prop @ 100mg eod will cover about 3 weeks past that? That's a 13 week cycle then run pct 3 days after last pin. I'm running var @80mg Ed wk 1-4 or 1-6 depending on budget. Adex .25 eod day 1-pct start.

hCG ?

Two bottles will rarely yield 10 wks exactly. You're better of picking up another Test Enth.

**ml87** · 03-14-2013, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

hCG ?

Two bottles will rarely yield 10 wks exactly. You're better of picking up another Test Enth.

Test e. one bottle= 10 shots or 5 weeks. 2 bottles is 10 weeks then I pick up with the prop. I won't start the hcg til week 2. Since ill have extra prop (more than needed for the remainder 2 weeks) then ill just start it when I run out of test e if it happens prematurely.

**Back In Black** · 03-14-2013, 10:01 AM

3200cals to cut? Do you have a fast metabolism?

**ml87** · 03-14-2013, 10:18 AM

My maintenance is around 3600. I'm only doing a 300cal deficit because I cranked up my cardio to burn an extra 300-400 cal 4x a week. So that's roughly 3500cal defect a week which works for my lifestyle. I've logged my meals for 2 weeks and it was always around 3600cal without me losing or gaining 1-2lbs. My macros were also about 20p/50c/30f. So with my tweaked macros and reduced calorie intake I'm losing about 2lbs a week so far. My bf decreased from 16.7 to 15% in the last 4 weeks. I'm hoping this cycle will get me to my (hopefully) reasonable goal. Please give your .02 if you see any inconsistencies..

**MickeyKnox** · 03-14-2013, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by ml87

Thanks. So does this sound right? 2 bottles of test e will last through week 10, then 1 bottle of prop @ 100mg eod will cover about 3 weeks past that? That's a 13 week cycle then run pct 3 days after last pin. I'm running var @80mg Ed wk 1-4 or 1-6 depending on budget. Adex .25 eod day 1-pct start.

Originally Posted by ml87

Test e. one bottle= 10 shots or 5 weeks. 2 bottles is 10 weeks then I pick up with the prop. I won't start the hcg til week 2. Since ill have extra prop (more than needed for the remainder 2 weeks) then ill just start it when I run out of test e if it happens prematurely.

Then why did you ask?? And thanks for the math lesson..

**ml87** · 03-14-2013, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Then why did you ask?? And thanks for the math lesson..

In no way was I trying to come off as a smart ass. I was just trying to compare notes. I wanted to make sure we were on the same page as far as the test, not the hcg . I'm no math guru by a long stretch.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-14-2013, 12:48 PM

You asked a question, i answered you - then you came up with your own. If you had the answer you were looking for, why bother asking? No worries.

hCG ?

**BBrian** · 03-14-2013, 02:22 PM

Hah. Well I get 20ml and 25ml bottles from my source

Which reminds me, I got double shipped but charged only once last week. Life is good

**ml87** · 03-16-2013, 10:07 AM

Check it-
wk 1-10 Enth 500mg/wk
wk 11-12 Prop 100mg eod
wk 1-6 Var 80mg ed

wk 1-12 HCG 250mcg 2xwk
wk 1-12 Aromasin 12mg ed
wk 13-16 Torem 120/60/60/60
wk 13-16 Nolva 40/20/20/20

should i wait until i need the AI or just run it at that dose regardless? I like the "less is more" mindset when it comes to Serms, Sarms , AI's..
Thanks

**MickeyKnox** · 03-16-2013, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by ml87

Check it-
wk 1-10 Enth 500mg/wk
wk 11-12 Prop 100mg eod Bump to 150EOD = 525/wk
wk 1-6 Var 80mg ed

wk 1-12 HCG 250mcg 2xwk
wk 1-12 Aromasin 12mg ed
wk 13-16 Torem 120/60/60/60
wk 13-16 Nolva 40/20/20/20

should i wait until i need the AI or just run it at that dose regardless? I like the "less is more" mindset when it comes to Serms, Sarms , AI's..
Thanks

Monitor your AI and adjust accordingly, if necessary. You may find you will need to increase depending on how sensitive you are to rising E2.

**ml87** · 03-16-2013, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Monitor your AI and adjust accordingly, if necessary. You may find you will need to increase depending on how sensitive you are to rising E2.

Thanks. I ended up gettin Adex instead of aromasin . Ill start about .25eod and adjust accordingly per your advice. I did .5 eod last cycle and felt that it may have suppressed my libido a little.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-16-2013, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by ml87

Thanks. I ended up gettin Adex instead of aromasin. Ill start about .25eod and adjust accordingly per your advice. I did .5 eod last cycle and felt that it may have suppressed my libido a little.

Roger that. Stay on top of it.

The more you cycle, the more in tune you will become with your body. And afterwards, you will find that dialing in AI will be easy.

**>Good Luck<** · 03-16-2013, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

hCG ?

Two bottles will rarely yield 10 wks exactly. You're better of picking up another Test Enth.

I'm with Mickey knoxx on this one. I have never had 10 shots out of a bottle. The last shot is always .5mL or less. I account for loading a .1ml to much over the corse of the bottle. For me, and everyone I know using, 10 weeks = 3 bottles... 12 weeks = 3 bottles... Even 14 weeks = 3 bottle if using 1cc twice a week. Now I just have tons of bottles so I don't care lol and I load needle tip to 1cc line which is probably 1.2mL lol