Whats the longest time anyone hear has blasted

[trenhead1]

Or stayed on a resonable high dose off long esters for ?

[Metalject]

Longest period on at high doses, 36wks, 16 of that was show prep. Longest period of time on anything, large or small doses, a little over three years.

[Perseverance1]

I'm blasting for about 7 months then cruising for 2-3 months and then I'll probably do a 8 on 4 off long Esther protocol for a year or so. Just depends on where I'm at and where I wanna go.

[krugerr]

I'm blasting for about 7 months then cruising for 2-3 months and then I'll probably do a 8 on 4 off long Esther protocol for a year or so. Just depends on where I'm at and where I wanna go.

I'm curious, do you find any problems with side effects, high BP? High RBC?

[Perseverance1]

I'm curious, do you find any problems with side effects, high BP? High RBC?

Im in the beginning of the blast right now, but after 6 weeks of 250test, 350 tren, 1mg cab, and some T3/clen mixed in there the only issue I had was my BP was a little high (140/80) while on my first 2 weeks of clen.

Oh, and night sweats/a little trensomnia.

Can't get blood work till after I'm out of Japan which could take 2 weeks but prior to starting my labs were all normal per the doc.

[krugerr]

Im in the beginning of the blast right now, but after 6 weeks of 250test, 350 tren, 1mg cab, and some T3/clen mixed in there the only issue I had was my BP was a little high (140/80) while on my first 2 weeks of clen.

Oh, and night sweats/a little trensomnia.

Can't get blood work till after I'm out of Japan which could take 2 weeks but prior to starting my labs were all normal per the doc.

I suppose I should ask, are you a TRT patient? Planning a big PCT at the end? Or just going to blast/cruise for a long time.

[Perseverance1]

I suppose I should ask, are you a TRT patient? Planning a big PCT at the end? Or just going to blast/cruise for a long time.

I'm planning on becoming a TRT patient. Just dropped my test to 125 and will stop 2 weeks out (soon) to get my TRT scrip.

[krugerr]

I'm planning on becoming a TRT patient. Just dropped my test to 125 and will stop 2 weeks out (soon) to get my TRT scrip.

Ahh ok. Thanks. I'm too young to consider blast/Cruise, but it is a very interesting route!

[Perseverance1]

Ahh ok. Thanks. I'm too young to consider blast/Cruise, but it is a very interesting route!

It's all about what you want in life mate, I'm actually a bit younger than you hah.

If you ever do decide to go the TRT route though make sure you do lots of homework...like, over 100 hours before you really take the plunge. There's essentially no turning back.

[ironbeck]

14-16 weeks, any longer and u and your body just know its time for a break.

[krugerr]

It's all about what you want in life mate, I'm actually a bit younger than you hah.

If you ever do decide to go the TRT route though make sure you do lots of homework...like, over 100 hours before you really take the plunge. There's essentially no turning back.

TRT would be a nice option when I'm much older, but as you said, it depends on your goals. Right now it would be a foolish idea. How old are you?!

[Perseverance1]

TRT would be a nice option when I'm much older, but as you said, it depends on your goals. Right now it would be a foolish idea. How old are you?!

I'm 24.799865325

[krugerr]

I'm 24.799865325

Ahh I see! TRT at this age? I had bloodwork done in November, test levels came back at like 108 (600-1000 range) and 8 (12-20 range). It picked back up to normal by Jan. I'm going to get regular bloodwork after this competition. My old man suffered from irregular test levels he said.

[Perseverance1]

Ahh I see! TRT at this age? I had bloodwork done in November, test levels came back at like 108 (600-1000 range) and 8 (12-20 range). It picked back up to normal by Jan. I'm going to get regular bloodwork after this competition. My old man suffered from irregular test levels he said.

Ah man that sucks. Back in my hs football days I used PH (didn't know any better and only used Internet for porn) so I kinda stunted my test. Highest I've popped in the last 3 years is 533 I think. I'm steadily in the. 400-500 ranges which is horrid for my age.

[krugerr]

I'm only 25 lol.

[Perseverance1]

I'm only 25 lol.

Dang Grandpa! So OLDDDD! Do you have to tuck your balls into your socks yet?

[trenhead1]

Interesting replys I'm planning on like a 5 month cycle but don't want to hit a brick wall were it stops working half way through

[Bio-Active]

Ah man that sucks. Back in my hs football days I used PH (didn't know any better and only used Internet for porn) so I kinda stunted my test. Highest I've popped in the last 3 years is 533 I think. I'm steadily in the. 400-500 ranges which is horrid for my age.

What time of the day were you running labs? There are a lot of people the would love to have numbers in the 500 range

[kelkel]

Agree with Jim. If your total is in the 500 range and your free is in a good place, it's foolish to plan on TRT at such a young age. There are normal supplements you can take to help improve your endogenous levels as well with a little time and effort.

[jimmyinkedup]

Agree with Jim. If your total is in the 500 range and your free is in a good place, it's foolish to plan on TRT at such a young age. There are normal supplements you can take to help improve your endogenous levels as well with a little time and effort.

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Well said Jim and Kel !

[Bio-Active]

x2
Well said Jim and Kel !

Good to see you jimmy

[fit2bOld]

I'm planning on becoming a TRT patient. Just dropped my test to 125 and will stop 2 weeks out (soon) to get my TRT scrip.

Really at 24 you want to be a TRT patient?
Seems odd but your decision.

[jimmyinkedup]

Good to see you jimmy

You too brother. We seem to be crossing paths a lot lately here and there!

[Bio-Active]

You too brother. We seem to be crossing paths a lot lately here and there!

It's good to have friends around to help out right? Lol

[Perseverance1]

What time of the day were you running labs? There are a lot of people the would love to have numbers in the 500 range

First thing in the morning like I'm supposed to, and I was taking 2x the max recommended dose of tribulus to get up to 533.

I realize I have it better than some but 400-500 for a 24 year old male is still pretty low. The clinic I'm going to for TRT prescribes it to people my age with test under 600....

[krugerr]

First thing in the morning like I'm supposed to, and I was taking 2x the max recommended dose of tribulus to get up to 533.

I realize I have it better than some but 400-500 for a 24 year old male is still pretty low. The clinic I'm going to for TRT prescribes it to people my age with test under 600....

Wow, really?? Thats still a pretty decent test level.

[FONZY007]

This thread is very disappointing.....

I was 26 when I found out that my test was at 107ng/dl and was out on androgel.. Few years later and I just got dialed in late Last year, I'm currently 31.. If I can go back I would, I was a beast naturally sitting over 220 lbs. and used test, deca at age 20 shot up to 250 lbs. I didn't know any better, shit I'm losing my hair and have to inject 2 times a week Along with other supplements to keep everything in line.. It's very stupid to see that you want to become a trt patient.. I would love natural test level of 500, shit with my weekly test I'm just under 500 lol.

Just my .02 cents

[Bio-Active]

This thread is very disappointing.....

I was 26 when I found out that my test was at 107ng/dl and was out on androgel.. Few years later and I just got dialed in late Last year, I'm currently 31.. If I can go back I would, I was a beast naturally sitting over 220 lbs. and used test, deca at age 20 shot up to 250 lbs. I didn't know any better, shit I'm losing my hair and have to inject 2 times a week Along with other supplements to keep everything in line.. It's very stupid to see that you want to become a trt patient.. I would love natural test level of 500, shit with my weekly test I'm just under 500 lol.

Just my .02 cents

My point exactly trt is a great thing when it is used correctly and medically needed

[Perseverance1]

This thread is very disappointing.....

I was 26 when I found out that my test was at 107ng/dl and was out on androgel.. Few years later and I just got dialed in late Last year, I'm currently 31.. If I can go back I would, I was a beast naturally sitting over 220 lbs. and used test, deca at age 20 shot up to 250 lbs. I didn't know any better, shit I'm losing my hair and have to inject 2 times a week Along with other supplements to keep everything in line.. It's very stupid to see that you want to become a trt patient.. I would love natural test level of 500, shit with my weekly test I'm just under 500 lol.

Just my .02 cents

I've said it on these boards before and I'll say it again....I'm sorry you HAVE to be on TRT, but I won't apologize for wanting the benefits of test @ 1150 for the rest of my life to include a legal prescription of test and an AI.

I have no issues with pinning every week...hell this morning when I literally gagged on my nasty multivitamins I thought to myself (I wish there was an injectable form of this.....)

Also, if your doc is only letting you have test @ 500 then I would seek out a different physician. That's just me though and I don't know your whole medical history.


As far as blast and cruise goes though....anyone ever do it with a long Esther?

[Honkey_Kong]

First thing in the morning like I'm supposed to, and I was taking 2x the max recommended dose of tribulus to get up to 533.

I realize I have it better than some but 400-500 for a 24 year old male is still pretty low. The clinic I'm going to for TRT prescribes it to people my age with test under 600....

Tribulus doesn't work man. and 400-500 is a normal level. Even at 250, you'd have problems finding a doctor willing to prescribe TRT due to many not knowing much about TRT protocols.

And by the way, the doctor doesn't just hand you a bottle of Test C and tell you to go pin away. They're most likely going to start you off on that androgel.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942


I get a weekly injection at a TRT clinic of test C. and I blast with other test (and steroids in addition to my trt dose).

[Bio-Active]

Tribulus doesn't work man. and 400-500 is a normal level. Even at 250, you'd have problems finding a doctor willing to prescribe TRT due to many not knowing much about TRT protocols.

And by the way, the doctor doesn't just hand you a bottle of Test C and tell you to go pin away. They're most likely going to start you off on that androgel.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942

I get a weekly injection at a TRT clinic of test C. and I blast with other test (and steroids in addition to my trt dose).

I believe he is already on trt through a clinic?

[Perseverance1]

Tribulus doesn't work man. and 400-500 is a normal level. Even at 250, you'd have problems finding a doctor willing to prescribe TRT due to many not knowing much about TRT protocols.

And by the way, the doctor doesn't just hand you a bottle of Test C and tell you to go pin away. They're most likely going to start you off on that androgel.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942


I get a weekly injection at a TRT clinic of test C. and I blast with other test (and steroids in addition to my trt dose).

I'm in contact with a clinic in the states (I live in Japan right now) that will give me a test cyp scrip if I have test levels under 600 @ 24 years old. Also, they will be mailing me my TRT meds so yes, I will be getting a bottle of test cyp to "pin away". They do bloodwork prior to starting, and 6 weeks after starting. If my levels are stable at that point then I won't have to get more blood work from them.

Also, they know I've used test before and will give me an AI to have "on hand"

I'm not just gonna blindly decide I want to get on TRT without a solid plan...

[FONZY007]

Test cyp is a long ester, and I never been sorry for my self that I have to inject twice a week..

I blast and cruise with my test, I have a script for it and I also make my own gear also.. While your in Japan might as well buy your own powder lol

[Brohim]

It's all about what you want in life mate, I'm actually a bit younger than you hah.

If you ever do decide to go the TRT route though make sure you do lots of homework...like, over 100 hours before you really take the plunge. There's essentially no turning back.

How do you make a decision if you are in your twenties about what your life will be like in your 40's? Lifes perspective changes with time and I would advise not to go on TRT if you don't have to. Is the short-term gains worth that many years of TRT? Maybe if your pro bodybuilder


Trust me man if your not symptomatic then don't do TRT. My test was 440 when I was your age. I feel fine and still fine at 31. When you get in your thirties your life changes you don't want to work out all the time like you do now. And pinning WILL get old. The difference between 500 and 1000 may sound far when on paper...you think that's double - but most people probably couldn't tell if there test level was 500 or 700 or 900 it's too small of a difference for guys with midrange test scores and that are not symptomatic.

All guys have different test levels. Not all men have 1,000ng/dl test #'s. I would bet the mean is more close to your number's - around 500-600.


Would TRT help a guy who is 50 yo, symtompatic and his blood test show 250ng/dl and through TRT raised to 750 - yes - and he would probably feel alot better. And that is who TRT is for

[Bio-Active]

How do you make a decision if you are in your twenties about what your life will be like in your 40's? Lifes perspective changes with time and I would advise not to go on TRT if you don't have to. Is the short-term gains worth that many years of TRT? Maybe if your pro bodybuilder

^^^^^ agreed

[krugerr]

All guys have different test levels. Not all men have 1,000ng/dl test #'s. I would bet the mean is more close to your number's - around 500-600.

Would TRT help a guy who is 50 yo, symtompatic and his blood test show 250ng/dl and through TRT raised to 750 - yes - and he would probably feel alot better. And that is who TRT is for

When mine came back at 108ng/dl @ age 24. My doctor shrugged and said "we'll monitor it". At a range of less than 600 they're willing to send you gear? I'd be happy with 600. I suppose you're liking the idea of TRT because you can blast/cruise, never worry about pct. while in theory I'd love to be able to B/C, in 10 years time I may feel differently!

[kelkel]

I'm in contact with a clinic in the states (I live in Japan right now) that will give me a test cyp scrip if I have test levels under 600 @ 24 years old. Also, they will be mailing me my TRT meds so yes, I will be getting a bottle of test cyp to "pin away". They do bloodwork prior to starting, and 6 weeks after starting. If my levels are stable at that point then I won't have to get more blood work from them.

Also, they know I've used test before and will give me an AI to have "on hand"

I'm not just gonna blindly decide I want to get on TRT without a solid plan...

"Clinics" are really not into your health. They're about prescribing any way possible to make money and do the minimum amount of required BW to allow them to issue meds to you legally. Your overall health is really not their concern.

When it comes to "not going blindly into TRT without a solid plan" then fill us in. What exactly is your plan? You have mid-range T levels and feel they should be higher. Have you had thorough BW with a competent Doc to diagnose exactly what may be causing "lower" T levels and if so was any corrective action taken? Basically, what was the diagnosis or causative factor? Is the doctor(s) you have seen one of the better ones in this field? Have you tried simple solutions such as vitamin D, DHEA, Pregnenolone, etc to improve your natural levels?

If the answer to these questions is basically no, then you really have no solid plan and have not made the necessary efforts to improve your endogenous levels first and foremost. IMHO you should reconsider TRT as being such a godsend until you really need it. 50 years of pinning is a long damn time....

[Perseverance1]

How do you make a decision if you are in your twenties about what your life will be like in your 40's? Lifes perspective changes with time and I would advise not to go on TRT if you don't have to. Is the short-term gains worth that many years of TRT? Maybe if your pro bodybuilder


Trust me man if your not symptomatic then don't do TRT. My test was 440 when I was your age. I feel fine and still fine at 31. When you get in your thirties your life changes you don't want to work out all the time like you do now. And pinning WILL get old. The difference between 500 and 1000 may sound far when on paper...you think that's double - but most people probably couldn't tell if there test level was 500 or 700 or 900 it's too small of a difference for guys with midrange test scores and that are not symptomatic.

All guys have different test levels. Not all men have 1,000ng/dl test #'s. I would bet the mean is more close to your number's - around 500-600.


Would TRT help a guy who is 50 yo, symtompatic and his blood test show 250ng/dl and through TRT raised to 750 - yes - and he would probably feel alot better. And that is who TRT is for

I suppose I'll start with here as far as answering questions go...

I realize that my priorities MAY change down the road...but from age 14-24 all I've ever wanted to do is lift. So the likelihood of me wanting to stop any time soon is likely fairly low.

With that being said...let's say I'm happy lifting until I'm 32, then the wife and I (currently single) decide to have some kids and my priorities change...so from 32-50 I'm stuck pinning (or I could get the implant...) 1x a week. But then once I'm 50 I'll likely need TRT regardless so it really only effects me for those 18 years. It's worth it to me.

[Perseverance1]

When mine came back at 108ng/dl @ age 24. My doctor shrugged and said "we'll monitor it". At a range of less than 600 they're willing to send you gear? I'd be happy with 600. I suppose you're liking the idea of TRT because you can blast/cruise, never worry about pct. while in theory I'd love to be able to B/C, in 10 years time I may feel differently!

I like the idea because if I get caught with test or an AI and no scrip then I can no longer be a Pharmacist as I'll have drug charges on my record....so....I guess in a roundabout way this IS for my job. You guys all seem to think its acceptable for pro BB's to get on TRT...well the median salary for a pharmacist in my area is $130,000 a year. Is that enough to justify it for you?

Oh, and having high test levels for life + blast/cruise and never needing to buy pct/lose gains/feel like shit is somewhat appealing too.

[Perseverance1]

"Clinics" are really not into your health. They're about prescribing any way possible to make money and do the minimum amount of required BW to allow them to issue meds to you legally. Your overall health is really not their concern.

When it comes to "not going blindly into TRT without a solid plan" then fill us in. What exactly is your plan? You have mid-range T levels and feel they should be higher. Have you had thorough BW with a competent Doc to diagnose exactly what may be causing "lower" T levels and if so was any corrective action taken? Basically, what was the diagnosis or causative factor? Is the doctor(s) you have seen one of the better ones in this field? Have you tried simple solutions such as vitamin D, DHEA, Pregnenolone, etc to improve your natural levels?

If the answer to these questions is basically no, then you really have no solid plan and have not made the necessary efforts to improve your endogenous levels first and foremost. IMHO you should reconsider TRT as being such a godsend until you really need it. 50 years of pinning is a long damn time....

I realize that the clinics are out to make a buck and could care less about my health, but I on the other hand care quite a bit about my health and will be getting the necessary tests to ensure I don't kill myself. If you want to see my reasoning for wanting TRT read the above post. It's quite simple, really.