my htpa is shut down please help

[supersaiyanc18]

i am offline, my libido is shit. bloodwork, test 300 ng.

heres the deal, i thought that igf-1 would work to jumpstart my hpta, but im 2 weeks in and no signs of improvement.

my question is this, will horny goat weed work, or will i have to get hcg? is hcg the only way to restart the hpta. horny goat weed is naturally much cheaper, so that is why the question has come up.

[bigZthedestroyer]

Were you on cycle before this?? Need more info.

[supersaiyanc18]

yeah, ive been offline for over 4 years. didnt realize that it was fixable until recently

[supersaiyanc18]

i heard some people have used cialis and it worked

[bigZthedestroyer]

How long have you been experiencing this? Have you talked to a doc about it? You may be in need of trt. You may also be able to do a ill pct and correct the problem. Horny goat weed and cialis are not what you are looking for.

[supersaiyanc18]

my idiot doctor says 300 is normal for a 21 year old. what a crack head, but thats a different story.

my balls arent tiny, and while i have been using the igf-1 they have gotten bigger. i just think i am offline because before i went on my first cycle, i would look at a girl and get a hard on. now i can barely even get it up for sex... i am definitely shut down...

i read that horny goat weed helps maintain a healthy balance of hormones. and if the horny goat weed wont work, i bet the hcg will jump start me again.

i just dont know why the igf-1 hasnt helped. i think my body needs to recognize a restart of hormones via hcg

[bigZthedestroyer]

maybe you should seek out a second opinion..when/what was the last cycle you ran?

[supersaiyanc18]

superdrol, 4 years ago. then i ran superdrol 1 year ago.

[bigZthedestroyer]

superdrol, 4 years ago. then i ran superdrol 1 year ago.

With no pct afterwards?

[supersaiyanc18]

my first cycle i was 20/30/40/40 and the next was 40/40/40/40/40/40.

but i didnt use nolva or clomid the first cycle. the second cycle i used nolvadex

[XxAndreaxX]

let me get the problem. you did a cycle, and you didn't proper PCT right?
What I would do in this case, I'm not a doctor but I heard it worked good for some people,
I'd do a test only cycle, 500mg /EW for 8 weeks + proviron and some AI. you should get your libido back if its test you're missing.
When your libido is through the roof, you'll be psycologically healed, I'd take HCG during cycle, and then after cycle another week HCG, then standard PCT only nolva, without clomid.
Many will tell you to do PCT only, but many guys,even if they get their test back to normal, they're psycologically down, and erecction problems are caused by your head.
Cialis is not the solution for this, you have to feel your dick working 24h for a good amout of time,2 months is ok, and then, slowly go back to normal.
this is what I read in another forum and worked, for a guy who did not proper PCT and was wreck, even if his test was somehow back.

[bigZthedestroyer]

Sounds like you may have screwed your endo system up. Someone else on here may chime in with an idea. I would seek out a second opinion from an endo. I would advise you do a lot of research if you ever plan on cycling again. This is a good example of why we advise guys on here to wait until 24-25 and they are properly educated. Sorry to hear man. I feel like that woul be a horrible feeling.

[Honkey_Kong]

I suggest you find an endo. But when you call up endocrinologists, try to find one that has experience with treating athletes who used performance enhancing drugs. The first endocrinologist I saw knew a lot about diabetes, but really didn't know too much about the after effects of steroids. And it took him referring me to another doctor to determine that my problems were caused by a prolactin secreting microadema on my pituitary gland.

Also, I know your test level is on the low side of normal, but your symptoms can also be caused by other problems not related to your HPTA. It's important to look in to those other avenues. And has your doctor ever ordered an MRI of your pituitary gland?

[XxAndreaxX]

An Endo will let you do a PCT. If it works, its okay, but many people recover well but are stuck psycologically. that's why I'd suggest a good test cycle, to be shure to start PCT clear of psyco-releated issues.

[BBrian]

An Endo will let you do a PCT. If it works, its okay, but many people recover well but are stuck psycologically. that's why I'd suggest a good test cycle, to be shure to start PCT clear of psyco-releated issues.

Unless you're an endocrinologist, which you obviously aren't, you really just need to give your two cents and leave it at that. Quite frankly what you suggested is terrible advice for anyone, but especially for a 21 year old. If this guy follows your advice he'd probably just hurt himself even more in the long run.

To the original poster, bigZ is right, you need to see a specialist who understands your problem.

[bigsiv]

An Endo will let you do a PCT. If it works, its okay, but many people recover well but are stuck psycologically. that's why I'd suggest a good test cycle, to be shure to start PCT clear of psyco-releated issues.

Every post I read of yours you talk out of your arse!!!! Please stop dishing out shitty advice when you don't have a clue. The guy is shut down and you want him to jump on cycle????? What's he gonna do after that?????

I will get back to this post in a bit I'm at work at moment I cannot believe some of the shite off you Andrea.

[XxAndreaxX]

Its only my opinion, but I read many cases of people fully recovered but still with erecction problems, simply because they were not used anymore since a long time to get their stuff work. viagra may work, but I think its different, I never took viagra, but a friend of mine did, and he says its very different from test erecctions.
I only speak about my experience, and others, then you can choose If what I say makes any sense or not. I only try to add some experiences to the table of problems, everyone is free to think about what I say.

[bigsiv]

let me get the problem. you did a cycle, and you didn't proper PCT right?
What I would do in this case, I'm not a doctor but I heard it worked good for some people,
I'd do a test only cycle, 500mg /EW for 8 weeks + proviron and some AI. you should get your libido back if its test you're missing.
When your libido is through the roof, you'll be psycologically healed, I'd take HCG during cycle, and then after cycle another week HCG, then standard PCT only nolva, without clomid.
Many will tell you to do PCT only, but many guys,even if they get their test back to normal, they're psycologically down, and erecction problems are caused by your head.
Cialis is not the solution for this, you have to feel your dick working 24h for a good amout of time,2 months is ok, and then, slowly go back to normal.
this is what I read in another forum and worked, for a guy who did not proper PCT and was wreck, even if his test was somehow back.

Now read this back and tell me if it makes sense.
You read about some guy and thought that his experience would suit the OP?
Tell me after he has done another cycle do you really believe is hpta will suddenly start working again? NO it will probably make his problem a lot worse

[BBrian]

Its only my opinion, but I read many cases of people fully recovered but still with erecction problems, simply because they were not used anymore since a long time to get their stuff work. viagra may work, but I think its different, I never took viagra, but a friend of mine did, and he says its very different from test erecctions.
I only speak about my experience, and others, then you can choose If what I say makes any sense or not. I only try to add some experiences to the table of problems, everyone is free to think about what I say.

The best course of action is to only offer advice based on your own experiences. When you start offering second hand opinions as advice, you only discredit yourself.

[XxAndreaxX]

If his HPTA is screwed, its screwed, a test cycle won't make it much more worse.
and maybe some hcg and low dose nolva during cycle may help.
If he's low in test, a test cycle could heal him temporary. then start a proper PCT and maybe he'll be fine.

I can remember I never had a great libido in my life, after my first h-drol cycle, my libido was completely down.
I could get erecctions, but girs had to force me to have sex.
then after PCT I waited a month or so, and did a proper test tren cycle.
My libido was extremely high, and guess what, I did a proper PCT again, and after that PCT, I was able to have sex ED for 3 months or so, since I started another cycle.
now I NEED sex ED, because I get crazy if I don't, and I guess after PCT, it won't be very different. maybe not that hardcore, but I think psycology plays a very big role.

[bigsiv]

If his HPTA is screwed, its screwed, a test cycle won't make it much more worse.
and maybe some hcg and low dose nolva during cycle may help.
If he's low in test, a test cycle could heal him temporary. then start a proper PCT and maybe he'll be fine.

I can remember I never had a great libido in my life, after my first h-drol cycle, my libido was completely down.
I could get erecctions, but girs had to force me to have sex.
then after PCT I waited a month or so, and did a proper test tren cycle.
My libido was extremely high, and guess what, I did a proper PCT again, and after that PCT, I was able to have sex ED for 3 months or so, since I started another cycle.
now I NEED sex ED, because I get crazy if I don't, and I guess after PCT, it won't be very different. maybe not that hardcore, but I think psycology plays a very big role.

Ha ha ha I loved the part were you said 'girls had to force me to have sex' ha ha that nothing to do with hpta that's sexuality issues lmao

Seriously though every time I read one of your posts and snippets of advice I cringe you need to be careful in future.

I agree if he dies a test cycle he will have test in his system and feel better but the problem will still be there after the cycle so it doesn't really help does it?

He needs to see a doc or endo and get bloods to determine his levels and whether or not he is a potential TRT patient. AAS aren't there to make you feel better or to get it up temporarily so don't advise him to use them for this.

[XxAndreaxX]

Yes I know, the first thing he has to do is to see an endo, and get a BW done. that's for shure. but the thing I wanted to explain, is that an endo will try to arrange your hormonal levels, he doesn't give a shit about your psycology.
that's why I read many posts about, my BW is ok, my levels are ok, but still no erecctions.
It could be that after that much time, even with an endogenous test working, you forghet about how to get an erecction. that's what I read. now it can be true or wrong but my case was similar. now that I know how it is to be on test, I act like i'm on 500mg test EW, even after PCT

[songdog]

Unless you're an endocrinologist, which you obviously aren't, you really just need to give your two cents and leave it at that. Quite frankly what you suggested is terrible advice for anyone, but especially for a 21 year old. If this guy follows your advice he'd probably just hurt himself even more in the long run.

To the original poster, bigZ is right, you need to see a specialist who understands your problem.

This x2

[Granovich]

Pro hormones fvcks you up!!!!
they are really bad!!
i did a cycle at 22 and it hurt me really bad ., for 2 years i had ED although my testosterone was 700 but my prolactin was high. i took caber and it did help me ALOT>... it never got back to same
but definitely got better .... PH sux.... and steroids at <24 sux too , it will hurt you!

[MickeyKnox]

let me get the problem. you did a cycle, and you didn't proper PCT right?
What I would do in this case, I'm not a doctor but I heard it worked good for some people,
I'd do a test only cycle, 500mg /EW for 8 weeks + proviron and some AI. you should get your libido back if its test you're missing.
When your libido is through the roof, you'll be psycologically healed, I'd take HCG during cycle, and then after cycle another week HCG, then standard PCT only nolva, without clomid.
Many will tell you to do PCT only, but many guys,even if they get their test back to normal, they're psycologically down, and erecction problems are caused by your head.
Cialis is not the solution for this, you have to feel your dick working 24h for a good amout of time,2 months is ok, and then, slowly go back to normal.
this is what I read in another forum and worked, for a guy who did not proper PCT and was wreck, even if his test was somehow back.

An Endo will let you do a PCT. If it works, its okay, but many people recover well but are stuck psycologically. that's why I'd suggest a good test cycle, to be shure to start PCT clear of psyco-releated issues.

Its only my opinion, but I read many cases of people fully recovered but still with erecction problems, simply because they were not used anymore since a long time to get their stuff work. viagra may work, but I think its different, I never took viagra, but a friend of mine did, and he says its very different from test erecctions.
I only speak about my experience, and others, then you can choose If what I say makes any sense or not. I only try to add some experiences to the table of problems, everyone is free to think about what I say.

If his HPTA is screwed, its screwed, a test cycle won't make it much more worse.
and maybe some hcg and low dose nolva during cycle may help.
If he's low in test, a test cycle could heal him temporary. then start a proper PCT and maybe he'll be fine.

I can remember I never had a great libido in my life, after my first h-drol cycle, my libido was completely down.
I could get erecctions, but girs had to force me to have sex.
then after PCT I waited a month or so, and did a proper test tren cycle.
My libido was extremely high, and guess what, I did a proper PCT again, and after that PCT, I was able to have sex ED for 3 months or so, since I started another cycle.
now I NEED sex ED, because I get crazy if I don't, and I guess after PCT, it won't be very different. maybe not that hardcore, but I think psycology plays a very big role.

The OP is shut down. What part of adding exogenous supra physical amounts of testosterone that will shut you down longer, are you having a hard time with??

Smarten up and please stop talking about all this foolishness of exogenous Testosterone helping re start HPTA. You have no clue what you're talking about. And stop regurgitating nonsense that you read on some obscure forum by Billy D from Sault Ste Marie. This is how people get hurt - knock it off.

[BBJT200]

I see validity in his point.
If he recovers his HPTA, he's likely to still have psychologically induced ED issues.
If he runs that test cycle, and his lack of libidio is indeed because of low test, this should aid in repairing that psychological damage.
If his HPTA is screwed, it's screwed. He runs a cycle of test, does a PCT and then has a chance at both recovery and a normal mentality when it comes to sex.
If he sees a specialist (hey, not everyone can afford this. ever think of that?) - he could end up fixing his hpta but still have a broken head.

Psychological issues are just as important, if not more important than the physical issues when it comes to ED.
No, I don't have some article to back up my statement.

What i'm saying is that there is no cut and dry solution for this. You can say it's only going to shut him down harder by running a cycle. What's the proof behind that? Shutdown is shutdown.
If he has the access to the specialist, i'd say that would be a good first route. If not, like myself, sometimes we have to treat ourselves the best we can.

This isn't a perfect world and you can scream "GET BLOODWORK" all you want, but it doesn't make your advice useful

[MickeyKnox]

I disagree. ^^

Re-starting your HPTA has ZERO to do with mental issues. This is the primary concern of the OP. Adding exogenous testosterone is like adding fuel to a fire. Absolutely ridiculous. This will only prolong his restart further.

But if for some reason he develops physiological issues ED, that's a different thread and possibly a different forum. However i do agree that ED is not only physical, but mental as well.

[BBJT200]

I never said restarting his hpta had to do with his mental issues. I implied that focusing only on hpta issues is not the whole solution.

[MickeyKnox]

I never said restarting his hpta had to do with his mental issues. I implied that focusing only on hpta issues is not the whole solution.

i am offline, my libido is shit. bloodwork, test 300 ng.

heres the deal, i thought that igf-1 would work to jumpstart my hpta, but im 2 weeks in and no signs of improvement.

my question is this, will horny goat weed work, or will i have to get hcg? is hcg the only way to restart the hpta. horny goat weed is naturally much cheaper, so that is why the question has come up.

I thought this was the question and primary concern?

My response is directly related to XxAndreaxX feverishly trying to promote introducing MORE testosterone in order to restating the HPTA. The OP is shutdown according to bloodwork. This psycho babble is secondary to the OP's primary concern.

[BBJT200]

Ah, I see your point there.
Though, what I am thinking is, he may be able to restart his HPTA by visiting a specialist, but he more than likely has head issues from being out of commission for four years.
It's more likely that he does, than doesnt. From an overall health standpoint, HPTA restart is more important. But the mental aspect is not to put off as secondary and ignored.

I agree, though...adding more testosterone in order to restart the hpta makes no sense.

"If he's low in test, a test cycle could heal him temporary. then start a proper PCT and maybe he'll be fine."
This is not saying adding test will fix his hpta. this is saying it could cure his symptoms of low T for a while, and then afterwards possibly fix the issue with PCT.

"I'd do a test only cycle, 500mg /EW for 8 weeks + proviron and some AI. you should get your libido back if its test you're missing.
When your libido is through the roof, you'll be psycologically healed, I'd take HCG during cycle, and then after cycle another week HCG, then standard PCT only nolva, without clomid.
Many will tell you to do PCT only, but many guys,even if they get their test back to normal, they're psycologically down, and erecction problems are caused by your head."
This doesn't say or imply that using test will fix his hpta.

I don't get where you got the idea that he's claiming that adding exogenous test will fix his hpta. He's not saying that at all.
He's offering an approach that covers both HPTA recovery AND mental recovery.

The OP is the one who was making the connection between hcg / igf-1 restarting HPTA.


|Fix mental issues|--->|Fix HPTA|----> =Possible Full recovery.
|Fix HPTA only|-----> Possible recovery, probable partial-recovery.

[supersaiyanc18]

thank you for responding and as to xxandreaxx, that is what i thought horny goat weed would do, it would make me feel normal again and naturally restart my test. but the more i debate this in my mind, the less i believe horny goat weed will work. i love girls, just cant get a hard on for them, which leads my to believe it is an endocrine issue, because i get extremely nervous before sex and i just cant get it up.

again thanks for all the help. i will try hcg and report back with my after thoughts

[XxAndreaxX]

|Fix mental issues|--->|Fix HPTA|----> =Possible Full recovery.
|Fix HPTA only|-----> Possible recovery, probable partial-recovery.

I'm not english native, so maybe someone could misunderstand me.
but BBJT200 got the point, IMO I'd first fix any mental problem, and make shure to have sex as much as possible. When my ego is up to 200%, I start getting things fixed, and most time it Works easier, than if you start fixing problems totally depressed.

I never said use testo to repair your HPTA. Testo will kill it even more. testo will only get your ego up. PCT will do the rest.
but its only my opinión Endo will be the judge and tell whats better.

[binsser]

let me get the problem. you did a cycle, and you didn't proper PCT right?
What I would do in this case, I'm not a doctor but I heard it worked good for some people,
I'd do a test only cycle, 500mg /EW for 8 weeks + proviron and some AI. you should get your libido back if its test you're missing.
When your libido is through the roof, you'll be psycologically healed, I'd take HCG during cycle, and then after cycle another week HCG, then standard PCT only nolva, without clomid.
Many will tell you to do PCT only, but many guys,even if they get their test back to normal, they're psycologically down, and erecction problems are caused by your head.
Cialis is not the solution for this, you have to feel your dick working 24h for a good amout of time,2 months is ok, and then, slowly go back to normal.
this is what I read in another forum and worked, for a guy who did not proper PCT and was wreck, even if his test was somehow back.

This is the best advice ull get **** superdrols it's too harsh do a 8 week test cycle with an ai first day of shot then every other day and 6 week pct and you could easerly be back to normal bud!!

But everyone has there own opinion all I'll say is it worked for me SO yes it can restart It if your body allows it!!!

[supersaiyanc18]

after first dose of hcg, i am completely fixed.

[Antonious]

Congrats

[BBJT200]

great news brother. glad to hear it.
Keep us posted on how things go over the next few weeks.

[supersaiyanc18]

will do. was crazy. i put the hcg drops under my tongue and within 2 minutes i think of a girl and my legs start to quiver. sounds homo but its true. i finally got it back

[supersaiyanc18]

plus, i feel amazing. on top of the world