Cycle stack

**lemoncrusher** · 03-16-2013, 06:59 PM

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 100mg eod.
Wk 3-8 Anavar = 60mg/day dosed 20mg every 8 hours.
wk 1-8 liquid clen =2 wks on 2 wks off
wk 1-8 AI 12.5mg ED
PCT
Begins wk 9 to wk 12

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Or

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 100mg eod.
Wk 3-8 Oral winny = 50mg Ed
wk 1-8 liquid clen =2 wks on 2 wks off
wk 1-8 AI 12.5mg ED
PCT
Begins wk 9 to wk 12

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

My plans are running the first cycle but the cost of adding anavar into it is quite a bit expensive
So I was wondering if the second cycle option would be just as Sufice? What are your thoughts on this?
I have also never used winny before
(Leaning out/cutting for this cycle)

**austinite** · 03-16-2013, 07:01 PM

full stats please including cycle history, body fat percentage, years in training...

**crazy mike** · 03-16-2013, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

full stats please including cycle history, body fat percentage, years in training...

Yes I was going to ask the same and also what is your goal. With where you are. That tells the story as to any recommendation and or critiquing. crazy mike

**lemoncrusher** · 03-16-2013, 07:07 PM

24
5'7
174lbs
16% bf

5 years in training
Have done two cycles 1.) tbol 2.) test cyp

**lemoncrusher** · 03-16-2013, 07:10 PM

My goal is to drop to about 7-8% bf but maintaining muscle mass\gaining lean size
My diet is in check right now for the cutting part as well

**austinite** · 03-16-2013, 07:12 PM

Not a fan of clen . Everything else looks good. PCT 3 days after last injection.

Your goal is not realistic

**lemoncrusher** · 03-16-2013, 07:21 PM

Why do you say it's not realistic? Like to get down to 7% bf?

**ChiveOn** · 03-16-2013, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Your goal is not realistic

Exactly. You need to do some serious cardio and proper nutrition to get that low. No amount of clen will get you from 16% to 7% in 8 weeks. It'll certainly help but I try not to touch clen until it starts getting hard to burn the fat. Around 12% and below IMO

**crazy mike** · 03-16-2013, 07:25 PM

Well you seem to be a bit stout if I'm right. I will take so work to get from 16% to 7-8 % but can be done. Remember that your metabolism and your diet is what will lean you. So no matter what aas you use the same with go with that process.

Winstrol does not lean you , diet. But Winni I've used allot right trough shows. It will promote vascular and hardness. The test will bring on the anabolic process and some water so you must have an AI in place and your diet again. If you add something like deca you will put on the mass but again have to watch fat and water.

You seem to have most everything needed. I would do just Test, another inject-able like deca and one oral Winni...crazy mike. .....I know you can only work with what you have, but two orals is not good and not strong enough delivery for me...cm

Also the cardio will work best for the BF% and sweating, promote sweating.. burn off fat...cm

**austinite** · 03-16-2013, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by lemoncrusher

Why do you say it's not realistic? Like to get down to 7% bf?

Let me rephrase just to be very clear. Your goal is impossible. You wont be breathing after 8 weeks if you cut that much that fast.

**lemoncrusher** · 03-16-2013, 07:30 PM

Well I do have an amazing cutting diet. I have been doing it for 3 weeks, one cheat meal on every Sunday in replacement of meal 5 (6 meals a day) and Ido fasted morning cardio 45 mins walk 3.1 mph on max incline(no hands on the machine) 4 times a week. Weight training Monday to Friday Saturday Sunday (rest/just cardio)

**crazy mike** · 03-16-2013, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Let me rephrase just to be very clear. Your goal is impossible. You wont be breathing after 8 weeks if you cut that much that fast.

I think I made a mistake and think your right austinite 7 % is outlandish. sorry I didn't want to discourage but that not good of me...cm

**austinite** · 03-16-2013, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

I think I made a mistake and think your right austinite 7 % is outlandish. sorry I didn't want to discourage but that not good of me...cm

It's all good mike.

**lemoncrusher** · 03-16-2013, 07:33 PM

Sorry about that, I don't mean I want to lose all of that in 8 weeks, I am going to be starting one of these cycles once I am down to about 10-12% bf naturally. Once I reach that I will until with cutting but with the assistance of aas. So from 10-12% to 7-8% I think is doable in 8 weeks ?