i was thinking about stacking turinabol with primobolan...both of them are mild and good for cutting and clean mass gaines ....what do you think
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i was thinking about stacking turinabol with primobolan...both of them are mild and good for cutting and clean mass gaines ....what do you think
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Stats?
"The Italian Stallion"
Age, weight, height, body fat, years of training, cycle history...Originally Posted by tarmyg
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no cycle history thats suposed to be the first one.age-24.
height 1.78
weight-96 kg
body fat-about 13%
years of training-about 5 years
"The Italian Stallion"
Forget the Tbol and primo!
First cycle should be test only!
Test Enathate or Cyp 400-500mg/week, 10-12weeks
Get AI such as adex or aromasin
Adex 0.25mg eod(every other day)
Aromasin 12,5mg eod
HCG 250iu/twice a week until 4 days before PCT start.
PCT 14 days after last E, 18days after last Cyp.
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Last edited by Gaspaco; 03-17-2013 at 08:13 AM.
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even if my main goal is cutting for summer?
"The Italian Stallion"
There are not such a thing like cutting or bulking AAS.
It all depends on your diet!
Testosterone is perfect during cutting diet! You can nicely cut your BF and keep more muscles!
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thanks for the advice but can you or anyone tell WHY not to take tbol and premo?
"The Italian Stallion"
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UUXRmol5mc0
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Why not Test P for first cycle? I hear it's better at not making you retain water, so you can get more cut.
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Because it is your FIRST cycle. It should be KISS!
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You will shut your natural test down. I would always run at least an HRT amount. Also, primo has to be run long and at higher amounts. You could probably run 4 or 5 test cycles for the cost of a primo cycle.
"The Italian Stallion"
You can, but beginner usually don't like the EOD pinning schedule.
Retaining water depends on your diet, testosterone is not retaining water but high estrogen lvls are!
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So Test E and C you can pin just once a week?
Last edited by Dwntwnguy; 03-17-2013 at 08:39 AM.
"The Italian Stallion"
You can, because those esters have long enough active half lives, but WE (people on this board) prefer every 3.5day schedule.
Basically you are pinning twice a week exp: monday am and thursday pm( every 3,5days.)
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And it's either Nolva or Clomid for PCT, right? Not both.
"The Italian Stallion"
Do both
"The Italian Stallion"
Read this, you will get all the info you'll need!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UUXRmol5mc0
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Give TEST E or C a shot for your first cycle so you know how your body responds to it as TEST will serve as the basis for your future cycles. If you run 2 compounds at once which "you can do whatever the F you wanna do" you wont know which one is affecting your body in which way. Also like previously stated it boils down to diet. You can implement many strategies to cut down on the water retention (AI, monitor sodium/carb intake, increase water consumption) but it will assist in strength and you can always shed the water weight post cycle. Don't think that you can't cut with TEST E or C. I ran a TEST E cycle for 10 weeks with clean diet and cardio and didn't get tons of water retention at all. Follow the advice from the experienced guys on here they have way more knowledge and experience then a NewB ever can from only reading online.
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I agree with everything Gaspaco (and Justlift) said. OP listen to him. He's giving you solid advice.
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