Which is more dangerous: DNP vs Slin

[Times Roman]

What do you think? I won't touch either. Many here will run with some slin. Few here will try DNP . Anyone try both? Both carry a serious risk of death unless you know exactly what you are doing.

Speak up. Some will depend on it.


Thanks!

---Roman

[austinite]

I haven't tried either. I'm only voting based on what I've heard from reliable friends. DNP is quite dangerous... so I hear.

[redz]

I havent had the urge to try either of those just from what I have heard. I do currently have a bottle of oral tren though which I am unsure if I will actually use or not just based on the potential dangers.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Have not tried either and don't find myself trying them in the near future.

If I had a coach and/or doctor with experience with either compound then I would exercise the idea of possibly giving it a go

[austinite]

It's like going down the same road as liposuction for me. Why even go there...

[Bio-Active]

It's like going down the same road as liposuction for me. Why even go there...

I couldn't agree more not worth the risk(s)

[Metalject]

It's like going down the same road as liposuction for me. Why even go there...

I would think lipo would be far safer than DNP . Not saying it's safe or even a little safe, I don't know that much about lipo but off hand I can't see how it would be as dangerous as DNP.

[Metalject]

I know a lot of guys who have or do use insulin . Of those guys I know one who fell into a coma and died. I know several others who ended up putting on a lot of fat with use. DNP , I don't know of as many who have used it. I do know of a few who supposedly used it, friends of friends who died. Not sure if it was directly the DNP but I'm sure it played a role.

All-in-all, if we're going to say one is more dangerous I think that would go to DNP. At least insulin isn't pure poison. I do think insulin can be used safely but it can be tricky and isn't necessary for 99.9% of people using it as a performance aid IMO. While there's no way to outright prove this I would bet insulin has destroyed more physiques then helped.

As for DNP, on the basis of actively destroying large amounts of body fat down to the cellular level, that aspect alone can make it appealing, but when you consider the potential harm that is truly great I can't see a justifiable reason for using it.

[austinite]

I would think lipo would be far safer than DNP. Not saying it's safe or even a little safe, I don't know that much about lipo but off hand I can't see how it would be as dangerous as DNP.

Well, they're obviously not really comparable, I'm just talking about one's desperate measures . Lazy folks who don't have any medical reason to be overweight.

[Metalject]

Well, they're obviously not really comparable, I'm just talking about one's desperate measures . Lazy folks who don't have any medical reason to be overweight.

I see what you're saying.
Your comment did remind me of a conversation I had with a pro bodybuilder once. I have no way of proving if this is true or not but this is what he told me. He said there's hardly a pro bodybuilder out there that doesn't end up getting a tummy tuck at least once during his career. When you consider the constant up and down, bulking then cutting then bulking and cutting and constantly repeating and when you consider how dramatic this is it's really not all that surprising.

[JWP806]

DNP sounds like it's worth it to me:

"If you screw up using it, you may go blind, or end up in the hospital on an ice bed receiving ice-water enemas as the doctors frantically try to make the temperature of your yellow and sweaty body go back down. And no, Im not joking. On the positive side, very few people have died from DNP use, although it remains a distinct possibility, as some DNP related fatalities have been reported."

Why the hell would someone use something so risky? I'd go with slin in a heartbeat over DNP.

[JWP806]

Dammit TR, I ruined your poll and selected slin because I'm a jack ass and didn't pay attention to the question. I'm quite sure though that I will be the only one that has slin marked (accidentally) more dangerous than DNP .

[AD]

i imagine DNP is more dangerous than insulin . quick and easy antidote for slin, iv glucose.

i got no idea whats the antidote for DNP overdose.

[austinite]

i imagine DNP is more dangerous than insulin . quick and easy antidote for slin, iv glucose.

i got no idea whats the antidote for DNP overdose.

I don't believe there is one.

[Perseverance1]

i imagine DNP is more dangerous than insulin . quick and easy antidote for slin, iv glucose.

i got no idea whats the antidote for DNP overdose.

It sounds like ice water enemas is the antidote...

[AD]

I would think lipo would be far safer than DNP . Not saying it's safe or even a little safe, I don't know that much about lipo but off hand I can't see how it would be as dangerous as DNP.

complications from lipo include perforation of organs(liver, spleen, kidneys) or bowels, and even death. not common, but possible nonetheless.

[auswest]

Insulin in the wrong hands is very dangerous, but not so much with a well educated user and not abuser, dnp I view as down right evil shit, would not even consider putti g that poison in my body, anyone who does in my eyes really need to take a step back and re priorities their life goals

Personally I wouldn't touch either

[bigsiv]

Just for the benefit of me and whoever doesn't know about these compounds could and would you lot explain insulin and what DNP is please? Just a quick explanation would suffice cheers guys

[AD]

Just for the benefit of me and whoever doesn't know about these compounds could and would you lot explain insulin and what DNP is please? Just a quick explanation would suffice cheers guys

insulin forces nutrients from your blood stream into your cells, and forces your body to go into building and storage mode, as opposed to usage and breakdown mode.

DNP decreases your cells' ability to use energy for its regular cellular functions. energy is wasted as heat.

[bigsiv]

insulin forces nutrients from your blood stream into your cells, and forces your body to go into building and storage mode, as opposed to usage and breakdown mode.

DNP decreases your cells' ability to use energy for its regular cellular functions. energy is wasted as heat.

Thanx AD so why all the hating on these two compounds? Obviously I've read you could die but how come ?

[Perseverance1]

Thanx AD so why all the hating on these two compounds? Obviously I've read you could die but how come ?

The biggest concern for DNP is taking too high a dose and having your body literally overheat. It's also a bit more dangerous for women as it can cause cataracts....but honestly there's a ridiculous amount of controversy over that because the cases from the 1930s had women taking it for years at a time....versus a 20 day cycle that's normal for current DNP users.


I can't offer much info on slin other than it seems to mess people up far more than help them and from my very basic understanding of the compound you run the risk of giving yourself diabetes by taking it.

[hankdiesel]

If you're educated and responsible slin can be used effectively by higher level bro's. The same can not be said for DNP . It doesn't belong in your body imo.

[Perseverance1]

If you're educated and responsible slin can be used effectively by higher level bro's. The same can not be said for DNP. It doesn't belong in your body imo.

While I agree with your last statement (I can't argue that something like DNP belongs in your body lol) I would have to say that your initial statement goes for both slin and DNP.

I'll have a bit more insight after I use DNP in the next couple weeks but another thing to point out would be that slin isnt meant to be in your body the way people pin it either...hell, I don't think anything discussed in the AAS section of these forums is meant to be in your body at the concentrations discussed....like 500mg of test for example. Just some food for thought.

[kronik420]

as above,

DNP is poison

Insulin gets naturally produced in the human body...

id use slin, but idk if it would have the same effect on me as it would a body builder.. since im diabetic...

[Honkey_Kong]

Unless you depend on your body for your living, I honestly don't see the point in risking your life over the benefits of these drugs. I guess slin is considerably safer and some will disagree with me about using it. But honestly, the majority of us are just hobbyists here. It's not worth going in to a coma or having a fever that causes you to go brain dead.

[Times Roman]

I forgot about this thread.

Either one is really not intended by anyone other than the most hard core body builder....

.....definately not for a hobbiest such as myself!

[Bonaparte]

Slin is more dangerous in the short term if you mess up, but perfectly safe if used correctly. DNP is toxic to some degree, but much harder to kill yourself with.

[Bonaparte]

I don't believe there is one.

There is no antidote, but the hyperthermia can be controlled through active cooling (cold water bath).

[Perseverance1]

Slin is more dangerous in the short term if you mess up, but perfectly safe if used correctly. DNP is toxic to some degree, but much harder to kill yourself with.

I think this statement pretty much sums it up nicely.

[trenhead1]

Just had a look up on dnp and I hear that going over by the slightest dose can kill u by overdose and there's nouthing the hospital can do is this true :-( when I pin aas I allways have a little extra etc in the barrel to sneak a extra few mg in

[thephil]

DNP = fkn hectic shit!

Never seen a doc prescribe dnp.

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[BBJT200]

I'm more Interested in dnp

Buy powder.
Cap your own (tyvek suit and respirator of course, along with other precautions...) and you then have nothing to worry about.

Dose properly and enjoy.

Slin....you mess up your carbs, you die.
Dnp...its toxic but fine unless you take too much.

[trenhead1]

I'm more Interested in dnp

Buy powder.
Cap your own (tyvek suit and respirator of course, along with other precautions...) and you then have nothing to worry about.

Dose properly and enjoy.

Slin....you mess up your carbs, you die.
Dnp...its toxic but fine unless you take too much.

Jesus mess up ure carbs and die these sound like crazy drugs what's up with a hardcore tren session and some crazy cardio and diet along the way I'd much rather that

[AD]

here's a horror story i found. death occurred despite the best efforts in the ER and ICU.


Weight loss and 2,4-dinitrophenol poisoning

A. Tewari*,
A. Ali,
A. O'Donnell and
M. S. Butt

Br. J. Anaesth. (2009) 102 (4): 566-567.

Editor—There are only a few cases in the literature of 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP ) poisoning in adults resulting in death.1 We describe the first case of multiorgan failure and widespread rigidity secondary to DNP poisoning 8 h after presentation.

The prevalence of non-prescription weight loss measures is increasing.2 The internet is commonly being used as a low cost alternative of acquiring advice and prescriptions. DNP (C6H4N2O5) first gained popularity for weight loss in the 1930s with studies showing that a daily dose of 300–400 mg for 2 weeks resulted in 36–95% increase in an individual's basal metabolic rate.3 It was soon taken off the market due to adverse effects including cataracts, liver failure, agranulocytosis, and death. DNP has also been used as a herbicide and also as a photographic developing chemical. Its use has now resurfaced via the internet.

A 27-yr-old lady was admitted to accident and emergency complaining of fatigue, nausea, and excessive sweating. She admitted to starting a new diet tablet (bought over the internet) a week before her admission. She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results. Past medical history was negative. She was a non-smoker, non-drinker, and had no known allergies. Initial examination revealed an agitated overweight female (BMI 33) with a GCS of 15. Her airway was clear, respiratory rate (RR) 60, oxygen saturation 100% (Fio2 40%), blood pressure (BP) 122/86, and heart rate 140 beats min−1. Temperature was 38°C. There were no other significant clinical findings.

Toxbase was consulted and she received 2 litre of normal saline i.v. over 2 h and diazepam 35 mg orally. Initial arterial blood gas revealed pH 7.46, Pco2 3.9 kPa, Po2 13.2 kPa, and base excess (BE) of −5.0. Initial laboratory results including full blood count, electrolytes, amylase, and liver function tests were normal. Creatinine kinase level was 1042. The patient had a further litre of normal saline i.v. over 2 h and 2 mg lorazepam i.v. The intensive care unit was informed. Six hours after admission, GCS was 14 (eyes opening to command), RR 44, BP 146/110, heart rate 150 beats min−1, and temperature of 38°C. Her urine output over 5 h was 146 ml. Repeat arterial blood gas showed pH 7.46, Pco2 2.36 kPa, Po2 13.8 kPa, BE −11.8, and bicarbonate 16.8. An hour later, she desaturated to <90% and became asystolic. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation was started. Despite suxamethonium 100 mg and vecuronium 10 mg (i.v.), it was not possible to ventilate her due to widespread sustained muscle rigidity. After 14 cycles with epinephrine and atropine, she remained asystolic and was declared dead.

DNP causes a hyper-metabolic state by uncoupling oxidative phosphorylation. Energy is released in the mitochondria as heat. The body attempts to compensate by gluconeogenesis, glycolysis, and lipolysis. Toxic doses will result in uncontrolled thermogenesis leading to hyperthermia and systemic responses to elevated body temperature.4 Profuse yellow-tinted perspiration may be observed and is pathonomonic of DNP poisoning. Renal, hepatic, and neurological sequelae can occur. In cases of severe toxicity, death may be followed by prompt rigor mortis.

Management involves aggressive supportive measures and use of benzodiazepines, but because of a large volume of distribution, DNP is not amenable to dialysis or haemoperfusion.5 It uncouples oxidative phosphorylation, causing release of calcium from mitochondrial stores. Raised free intracellular calcium causes muscle contraction and hyperthermia. Successful use of dantrolene has been described.6 By inhibiting calcium release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum, dantrolene reduces intracellular calcium. This is thought to help to facilitate heat dissipation in uncontrolled DNP-related hyperthermia. We stress importance of early aggressive supportive care and level 2 involvement in cases of DNP poisoning. We also propose the early use of dantrolene.

[AD]

^^^mind you, this patient arrived at the ER fully conscious, alert and talking. and dead in 8hrs.

[Lady Warmouth]

It seems idiotic to want to take something like that. It seems far safer to diet and use cardio to achieve weightloss, plus the added benefit of cardiovascular health. That stuff sounds scary. Is it a steriod ?

[Younggymrat]

What about pgcl? Or is no were near dangerous as these other conpounds.

[AD]

It seems idiotic to want to take something like that. It seems far safer to diet and use cardio to achieve weightloss, plus the added benefit of cardiovascular health. That stuff sounds scary. Is it a steriod?

it is a poison that damages your cells' ability to use energy for the usual cellular functions. this energy is then wasted as heat. one danger of overdose is hyperthermia(your body gets way too hot). but as the article illustrated, another danger is multi-organ failure.

[BBJT200]

She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.

That statement alone makes me disregard the entire event.
What happens if you are taking 120mcg clen , and you ...double the dose? you're probably going to have some complications.

Like I mentioned earlier, if you follow the dosing guidelines (and taper your way up from a smaller dose, adjusting by how your body reacts), you'll *probably be fine. Worried? Take 200mg instead of 400-500.
DNP can drop somewhere around 1lb of FAT per day of use. If you feel the need to double the dose to achieve faster results, you have way too much to lose.
If 1lb a day is not enough for you, and you double the dose, you deserve what is going to happen to you.

If you feel like you can't handle the responsibility of taking your life in your own hands, then DNP is not for you.
I'd never try DNP capped from a source, because that's putting my life in THEIR hands. I trust myself, not others.

[austinite]

She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.
She had doubled the recommended dose for faster results.

That statement alone makes me disregard the entire event.
What happens if you are taking 120mcg clen , and you ...double the dose? you're probably going to have some complications.

Like I mentioned earlier, if you follow the dosing guidelines (and taper your way up from a smaller dose, adjusting by how your body reacts), you'll *probably be fine. Worried? Take 200mg instead of 400-500.
If you double the dose, you deserve to die for being an impatient moron. DNP can drop somewhere around 1lb of FAT per day of use. If you feel the need to double the dose to achieve faster results, you have way too much to lose.

If you feel like you can't handle the responsibility of taking your life in your own hands, then DNP is not for you.
I'd never try DNP capped from a source, because that's putting my life in THEIR hands. I trust myself, not others.

Are you kidding me bro? So what do you think everyone on this forum does with just about every compound? They double, triple, quadruple and multiply by 10 to the recommended dose.

Simply saying someone deserves to die is pretty sad. Shame on you.