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  1. 03-18-2013, 11:26 PM #1
    jazzyscorp
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    So confused, some help please on first cycle, 43

    Ok, so here is the basic data. I am 43, been training a little over 1 year this time, fairly naturally muscular, 5'8" 200 at about 19% BF. (I realize this sucks here probably)

    I have found it was fairly easy to get back what I used to have as far as size and muscle mass. I, however, cant seem to get passed the 18-19% BF mark and also get more defined.
    I am sure some of it is diet, and I do my best to watch and stay consistent.
    I have researched around on various sites for the best "starter" cycle to jump start me and pretty much have found about as many answers as sites.
    My basic goal is to gain a little mass, not too much though, more definition and strength, but to lose the extra fat while doing it that seems to not want to leave me around the belly. This past year I have lost probably 15 lbs fat and replaced it with muscle and I am about where I started at weight wise, however it is obviously much better placed.
    Just looking for a realistic idea on a first cycle, what to take with it, after the cycle, how long it should be. Im not rich or anything but will pay for good stuff in this regard. Please don't come at me with the "eat better" "exercise more", as I know these things need to be part of it, just looking for real advice on a first time cycle idea. Thanks guys.

    Also, at this time, all I take is preworkouts, tribulus (I know) , multivitamin and milk thistle.
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  2. 03-18-2013, 11:30 PM #2
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    "I am sure some of it is diet"

    There is your problem, as it is all about diet, post up your diet in the nutrition section and have a read in there.
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  3. 03-18-2013, 11:31 PM #3
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    Welcome to the Forums!

    Youre doing good, but you need to reduce your BF a bit more so that you decrease the possibilities of unwanted sides.

    Where are you on this Template?

    Click image for larger version.  Name: BF Men.jpg  Views: 835  Size: 322.4 KB  ID: 135686
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  4. 03-18-2013, 11:37 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    Welcome to the Forums!

    Youre doing good, but you need to reduce your BF a bit more so that you decrease the possibilities of unwanted sides.

    Where are you on this Template?

    Click image for larger version.  Name: BF Men.jpg  Views: 835  Size: 322.4 KB  ID: 135686
    20% look leaner then the 15% guy....And either way, there is NO WAY that is 20% bodyfat UNLESS he has HIPPOS for legs...#3 guy not even close to 12%, maybe MAX 10%...
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  5. 03-18-2013, 11:41 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzyscorp View Post
    Ok, so here is the basic data. I am 43, been training a little over 1 year this time, fairly naturally muscular, 5'8" 200 at about 19% BF. (I realize this sucks here probably)

    I have found it was fairly easy to get back what I used to have as far as size and muscle mass. I, however, cant seem to get passed the 18-19% BF mark and also get more defined.
    I am sure some of it is diet, and I do my best to watch and stay consistent.
    I have researched around on various sites for the best "starter" cycle to jump start me and pretty much have found about as many answers as sites.
    My basic goal is to gain a little mass, not too much though, more definition and strength, but to lose the extra fat while doing it that seems to not want to leave me around the belly. This past year I have lost probably 15 lbs fat and replaced it with muscle and I am about where I started at weight wise, however it is obviously much better placed.
    Just looking for a realistic idea on a first cycle, what to take with it, after the cycle, how long it should be. Im not rich or anything but will pay for good stuff in this regard. Please don't come at me with the "eat better" "exercise more", as I know these things need to be part of it, just looking for real advice on a first time cycle idea. Thanks guys.

    Also, at this time, all I take is preworkouts, tribulus (I know) , multivitamin and milk thistle.
    Think about your cycle when lower bodyfat%...Use your cycle as motivation to get down near 10%...Your cycle will much much better then...

    Also, at your age get blood work and the whole shinanigans to see if all your levels are normal and you are healthy enough to begin down your venture...
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  6. 03-18-2013, 11:46 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by calstate23 View Post
    20% look leaner then the 15% guy....And either way, there is NO WAY that is 20% bodyfat UNLESS he has HIPPOS for legs...#3 guy not even close to 12%, maybe MAX 10%...
    15% you can see bottom of last rib and top set of abs slightly showing. 20% looks pretty soft and bloated. Are we talking about the same two guys here??
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  7. 03-18-2013, 11:47 PM #7
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    Here's another that i think is pretty accurate as well.

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  8. 03-18-2013, 11:49 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by calstate23

    20% look leaner then the 15% guy....And either way, there is NO WAY that is 20% bodyfat UNLESS he has HIPPOS for legs...#3 guy not even close to 12%, maybe MAX 10%...
    Looks fairly accurate to me, no expert though if someone presented that 20% guy to me I would take a stab in the dark at 18% so 20 doesn't seem that far fetched.
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  9. 03-18-2013, 11:52 PM #9
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    Id say between the 15 and 20 guys for sure, about 18-19. Bigger than either, but body definition wise, between them

    Also, due to my job, I have been tested bloodwise and I am in in good shape in that department, chol and so on.
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  10. 03-18-2013, 11:57 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    15% you can see bottom of last rib and top set of abs slightly showing. 20% looks pretty soft and bloated. Are we talking about the same two guys here??
    Yes, 20% guy just in bad light and white as a ghost...Look at both of them directly around the belly button...In the area you would inject gh for instance....

    20% is much flatter as you can see it in the belly button....15% guy has puffiness around...
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  11. 03-19-2013, 12:01 AM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by calstate23 View Post
    Yes, 20% guy just in bad light and white as a ghost...Look at both of them directly around the belly button...In the area you would inject gh for instance....

    20% is much flatter as you can see it in the belly button....15% guy has puffiness around...
    I love ya buddy but youre wrong. The difference is clear. 15% is clearly leaner than 20% guy. Ill can open a thread and ask for opinions. I wont say what i think. seriously bro, its that clear.
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  12. 03-19-2013, 12:01 AM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    Here's another that i think is pretty accurate as well.

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    First guy 4-5%, 2nd More like 6% MAYBE 7%....3rd guy not enough close to 10%, he's like 8%...4th guy hard to tell in position but probably 10-11%...DEF NOT 14%...

    Rest seem fairly accurate....
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  13. 03-19-2013, 12:09 AM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by calstate23 View Post
    First guy 4-5%, 2nd More like 6% MAYBE 7%....3rd guy not enough close to 10%, he's like 8%...4th guy hard to tell in position but probably 10-11%...DEF NOT 14%...

    Rest seem fairly accurate....
    Wow that freaks me out.

    I completely and respectfully disagree with you 100%..not 90%, 100%.

    And we'll just leave it at that i guess.
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  14. 03-19-2013, 12:09 AM #14
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    Imagine what 6-7% look like on 5'9" 170 and what 6-7% look like on 5'9" 200?

    COMPLETELY different physiques...Most already put the 200 lbs leaner because it looks like he has more muscle and probably has more veins since he is running hormones....

    Also, water weight on these guys make it look much worse then really is...
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  15. 03-19-2013, 12:10 AM #15
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    I didnt comment on the first two because youre simply splitting hairs for 1%.
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  16. 03-19-2013, 12:12 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by calstate23 View Post
    Imagine what 6-7% look like on 5'9" 170 and what 6-7% look like on 5'9" 200?

    COMPLETELY different physiques...Most already put the 200 lbs leaner because it looks like he has more muscle and probably has more veins since he is running hormones....

    Also, water weight on these guys make it look much worse then really is...
    We disagree. No worries mate - we're still on the same team.
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  17. 03-19-2013, 12:16 AM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    We disagree. No worries mate - we're still on the same team.
    True, no probs....

    But I do think we REALLY need a section where people get dunk test with results to show true accurate bodyfat% though...I've seen some RIDICULOUS numbers thrown out...

    And I'm not saying yours were ridiculous....Off a little in my opinion
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  18. 03-19-2013, 12:18 AM #18
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    This calls for drastic measures...ABBA!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUrzicaiRLU
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  19. 03-19-2013, 12:24 AM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    This calls for drastic measures...ABBA!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUrzicaiRLU
    Ha ha ha...
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  20. 03-19-2013, 12:29 AM #20
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    Appreciate the replies, although it got hijacked a bit...
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  21. 03-19-2013, 12:30 AM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzyscorp View Post
    Appreciate the replies, although it got hijacked a bit...
    My apologies my friend.
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  22. 03-19-2013, 12:32 AM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzyscorp View Post
    Appreciate the replies, although it got hijacked a bit...
    True....Sorry...

    But I think we can all agree...Get bodyfat down FOR SURE before you cycle...UNLESS you are COMPLETELY over estimating your bodyfat%

    Hit the ol' nutrition section!
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  23. 03-19-2013, 12:33 AM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by calstate23 View Post
    True....Sorry...

    But I think we can all agree...Get bodyfat down FOR SURE before you cycle...UNLESS you are COMPLETELY over estimating your bodyfat%

    Hit the ol' nutrition section!
    I agree with you, finally. lol
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