Trenbolone causing Anorgasmia

**KimboHalfSlice** · 03-20-2013, 09:08 AM

Anorgasmia is difficulty in achieving orgasm.

I started on Trenbolone for the first time at the start of December 2012, I was doing 466mg of Tren E per week. As time went by, I had more and more difficulty achieving orgasm. Also, when I did finally achieve orgasm, it was pretty dull, almost as though my penis felt numb.

I posted to this forum about it at the time, and because I had also been taking Anastrozole (Arimidex ) at the same time, I got responses saying that it was likely to be that I wiping out my Estrogen by taking too much Anastrozole (I was taking 1mg EOD), and people said that Estrogen is needed in men for proper sexual function.

Because I didn't know what was causing the Anorgasmia, and because it was having a devastating effect on my relationship with my girlfriend, I ended up coming off all drugs for 6 weeks, and the Anorgasmia went way.

I started back on Trenbolone, Testosterone and hCG exactly 7 days ago (but no Anastrozole). Guess what, the Anorgasmia is back exactly like before, it takes me ages to achieve orgasm, and when I do, it's a pretty dull experience.

So I looked up Anorgasmia. Here's an excerpt from a study done on people suffering with Anorgasmia (this study had nothing to do with steroid users):

"The chemical cabergoline, which is an agonist of D2 receptors, which in turn decreases prolactin, has fully restored orgasm in 1/3rd of anorgasmic subjects, and partially restored orgasm in another 1/3rd of subjects."

Trenbolone is known to increase prolactin, so right now I'm pretty confident that my Anorgasmia is caused by excessive prolactin.

Anyway just wanted to share my experience in case others are wondering what's going on with their bodies.

Because I know what's going on this time around, it doesn't bother me. I had a girlfriend the last time and it was a disaster, she was getting upset thinking it was "her fault"... it was horrible and I regret putting her through that. This time around though I'm single... and I wank too much anyway so I'm not in a hurry to get my hands on Cabergoline... but it's nice to know that there's a remedy there if I want it.

**crazy mike** · 03-20-2013, 09:17 AM

I found out the same from asking and talking on the forum. Prolactin problem it is. Some anti-depressants do the same thing. So many people on other meds like me have it going on all the time. Good input. ....crazy mike

**Thunderforge** · 03-20-2013, 09:45 AM

It is good input. Too bad you aren't in a hurry to fix the situation. I'd be interested in knowing if the caber solves the problem.

**BBJT200** · 03-20-2013, 10:06 AM

Celexa did this to me last year. even 9 mo off of it I still had issues with anorgasmia. hell, when I was on test only and let estrogen get high, my prl increased enough to start lactating. Scary stuff.

since discovering caber, life is great.
Prami makes my adhd medication ineffective for some reason but also cures the anorgasmia

**Atomini** · 03-20-2013, 10:25 AM

Yup, good post. This is generally very common knowledge, and I explain this in detail in my Trenbolone thread, but more people need to understand why 19-nor compounds like Trenbolone and Nandrolone can potentially cause anorgasmia and ED issues that higher Testosterone doses will not solve. I have ALWAYS promoted the use of a Prolactin antagonist on cycle, or at the very least, keeping it on hand in case of these situations. Prolactin increases can also occur from the use of simple AAS such as Testosterone as well, although this is more rare than with Trenbolone. The issue of what causes Prolactin increases from Trenbolone or Nandrolone is not fully understood as of yet, and it is a very dodgy issue. Some people still get it even while controlling Estrogen, some people don't get it at all, and those who have gotten it sometimes don't get it in certain cycles even though everything is the same, etc. This is why I always say carry Cabergoline or Pramipexole on hand at the very least. I personally always run Cabergoline regardless.

**Atomini** · 03-20-2013, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by BBJT200

Celexa did this to me last year. even 9 mo off of it I still had issues with anorgasmia. hell, when I was on test only and let estrogen get high, my prl increased enough to start lactating. Scary stuff.

since discovering caber, life is great.
Prami makes my adhd medication ineffective for some reason but also cures the anorgasmia

I am sure I have mentioned this before, but I too am prescribed dopamine producing and dopamine reuptake inhibiting ADD medication (Adderall). I have not noticed any significant reduction in the effectiveness of Adderall with Cabergoline use, although I can see how that would be an issue, considering prolactin antagonists such as Cabergoline and Pramipexole are dopaminergic compounds, which act as Dopamine receptor agonists. Essentially, they would attach to Dopamine receptors in place of actual Dopamine (much like Nolvadex vs Estrogen in breast tissue). The amphetamines in Adderall cause a surge of Dopamine output in the synapses between nerve cells, and also inhibit the reuptake of Dopamine. So, amphetamines essentially turn your dopamine output in your synapses from a garden hose into a full blast fire hose in addition to not allowing any of the Dopamine to be reuptaken into the nerve cells (for the duration of amphetamine use). The use of Dopaminergic compounds such as Prami and Caber may possibly reduce effectiveness of amphetamines by occupying Dopamine receptor sites in place of actual Dopamine, as I have already mentioned. However, I have not seen a reduction in the effects of the amphetamines from Adderall.

Pramipexole may be a different story, as it acts as a Dopamine receptor agonist as well, but it seems to do so in other Dopamine receptors that Cabergoline does not. I cannot remember the name of these specific Dopamine receptor types that Prami works on that Cabergoline doesn't touch, i'd have to look up the clinical studies again and see. This is where the issue could be in reducing the effect of Dextroamphetamine and Levoamphetamine (the two amphetamines present in Adderall).

**Perseverance1** · 03-20-2013, 01:20 PM

You should just run caber .5mg e3d or e4d.....gives you nice boners lol.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 03-20-2013, 01:31 PM

Erections are rock solid and they stay like that. It's just my penis feels sort of numb and it takes ages to achieve an orgasm, and it's a shit orgasm.

**BR0DIE** · 03-20-2013, 01:32 PM

Is it correct in saying that too high prolactin levels are the cause of ED and other sexual problems?
Because I've always found when taking B6 in high doses (proven to lower prolactin) I get harder erections and have never noticed the link until now.

**Ronnie Rowland** · 03-20-2013, 05:33 PM

Try .05 mgs of caber twice a week, reduce tren to 100 mgs per week, reduce test to 500 mgs per week, drop arimidex and add 50 mgs of proviron in it's place. Your problem should be cured! If not, try adding only 5 mgs of cialis daily to the protocol.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 03-21-2013, 09:53 AM

I'm keeping the Testosterone Enanthate steady at 466mg per week, and the Trenbolone Enanthate steady at 466mg per week.

It's working well for me so far. Last time I did Trenbolone, I ran the Testosterone much higher, I had the Test at about 800mg per week, and I had the Tren at about 600mg per week.

The side-effects last time around were a bit much. My resting pulse was 120 at one stage... also my temperment was off the scales. I had difficult sleeping, and at times I even had difficulty eating.

The only problematic side-effect I'm having now is Anorgasmia, which if it becomes very unpleasant then I'll take Cabergoline to reduce prolactin.

As regards Cialis, it's for the treatment of Erectile Dysfunction as far as I know, I don't think it would have any effect on Anorgasmia. I tried Viagra one of the nights and it had no effect.

**warhog** · 03-21-2013, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Yup, good post. This is generally very common knowledge, and I explain this in detail in my Trenbolone thread, but more people need to understand why 19-nor compounds like Trenbolone and Nandrolone can potentially cause anorgasmia and ED issues that higher Testosterone doses will not solve. I have ALWAYS promoted the use of a Prolactin antagonist on cycle, or at the very least, keeping it on hand in case of these situations. Prolactin increases can also occur from the use of simple AAS such as Testosterone as well, although this is more rare than with Trenbolone. The issue of what causes Prolactin increases from Trenbolone or Nandrolone is not fully understood as of yet, and it is a very dodgy issue. Some people still get it even while controlling Estrogen, some people don't get it at all, and those who have gotten it sometimes don't get it in certain cycles even though everything is the same, etc. This is why I always say carry Cabergoline or Pramipexole on hand at the very least. I personally always run Cabergoline regardless.

Ive read your tren thread multiple times, along with Swiftos AI thread. I am curious about one thing which I couldnt find an answer for. Is it harmful to throw in cabergoline after the beginning of a 19-nor/test cycle once or if prolactin related sides occur If an AI like aromasin has has been used from the beginning of the cycle? Would it be wise to drop one for the other, or continue using both? Sorry, not trying to steal the thread.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 03-21-2013, 11:31 AM

Oh yeah, meant to ask, is there anything wrong with taking Anastrozole and Cabergoline simulatneously? Here's what I was considering:

Test & Tren & Anastrozole & Cabergoline & hCG

**600@50** · 03-21-2013, 02:14 PM

You should take both. The adex to control E2 and the caber to control the prolactin.

**AlinSR** · 03-21-2013, 09:28 PM

Yep, I would take both. Better to be safer then sorry.

**Atomini** · 03-21-2013, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by warhog

Ive read your tren thread multiple times, along with Swiftos AI thread. I am curious about one thing which I couldnt find an answer for. Is it harmful to throw in cabergoline after the beginning of a 19-nor/test cycle once or if prolactin related sides occur If an AI like aromasin has has been used from the beginning of the cycle? Would it be wise to drop one for the other, or continue using both? Sorry, not trying to steal the thread.

It wouldn't hurt, no. Make sure your AI is used for Estrogen CONTROL and not estrogen ELIMINATION though. I just need to always emphasize that. Otherwise, using both isn't an issue.

**MR10X** · 03-22-2013, 04:49 AM

The only way to really know for sure if you have prolactin issues with deca or tren would be to have your hormone levels checked while using them, i would have have it done while using an AI to see what your E2 levels are. other than that you are just guessing what your problem is and throwing drugs at it to fix an issue that mignt not exist.........

**Atomini** · 03-22-2013, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by MR10X

The only way to really know for sure if you have prolactin issues with deca or tren would be to have your hormone levels checked while using them, i would have have it done while using an AI to see what your E2 levels are. other than that you are just guessing what your problem is and throwing drugs at it to fix an issue that mignt not exist.........

Exactly. Only bloodwork will tell you everything with pinpoint accuracy. Everything else is shooting in the dark.

**Juced_porkchop** · 03-22-2013, 09:03 AM

Deca and tren do that for some. for me i never noticed it.

**XxAndreaxX** · 03-22-2013, 10:11 AM

In my first tren cycle I got anorgasmia too. I was scared, but then I found out, it was my new GF that was causing me anorgasmia...
Then I changed girl, and I jerked off whitin 1 minute and I thaught I had premature ejaculation.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 03-22-2013, 10:49 AM

Difficulty achieving orgasm can of course be psychological.... but the anorgasmia induced by high prolactin feels quite different.... to me it literally feels like the head of my penis is numb.

**XxAndreaxX** · 03-22-2013, 11:33 AM

But if you have a prolactine raise, won't you have erecction and libido problems too???

**KimboHalfSlice** · 03-22-2013, 11:37 AM

But if you have a prolactine raise, won't you have erecction and libido problems too???

I can't speak for the rest of humanity... but here's my symptoms at present:

(1) Heightened libido... I wake up gagging for it
(2) No problem getting and maintaining an erection
(3) But... takes ages to orgasm and it's a poor quality orgasm

Maybe I'm out of the ordinary but they're my symptoms.

**XxAndreaxX** · 03-22-2013, 11:48 AM

yes I had the same trouble, wanted having sex all day, and then no way to come. and When I got it, the orgasm was veeeery long and sometimes painful, my GF always said I cry like a bitch, but hell it was crazy.

**bigsiv** · 03-22-2013, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX

yes I had the same trouble, wanted having sex all day, and then no way to come. and When I got it, the orgasm was veeeery long and sometimes painful, my GF always said I cry like a bitch, but hell it was crazy.

It's comments like this why I can't take you serious.