First go at Tren

[ChiveOn]

So, this'll be my third cycle, had exp with test, sust, dbol, winny. I've got about another 6-8 weeks before starting but I want to order soon. Currently 6'0, 192lbs, 14% body fat. Ill be leaning down a bit more before I start. And I'm mainly looking to lean out without adding much more that 10lbs
8week cycle

Test P 30mg/day
Tren A 70mg/day

Adex at .25 e3d
HCG 250iu 2x a week
B6 500mg/day prami on hand if needed

Nolva 40/20/20/20 pct

So my question is, would this be too much tren for the first time? It's only a very small difference in price to go with 40ml rather than 30ml so I'd rather just use it. Since ill be deploying out and I don't want to leave it laying around where it could be found over a year.

[600@50]

My first cycle with tren a was at 350 a week and I only had night sweats a couple of times. Second one was at 525 a week and really not much difference from the first as far as sides. I definitely would not go any higher for a first cycle.

[Provita]

Why adex e3d and not eod?

PCT looks a bit lean too...?

[ChiveOn]

The adex went e3d because its not far from TRT levels of test. I didn't want to blast my e2 without really having much "extra" test in my system. And as for the pct, I've always done fine with nolva alone. Never really wanted to try clomid, but I've got enough on hand to run it 40/40/20/20

[Provita]

The adex went e3d because its not far from TRT levels of test. I didn't want to blast my e2 without really having much "extra" test in my system. And as for the pct, I've always done fine with nolva alone. Never really wanted to try clomid, but I've got enough on hand to run it 40/40/20/20

Makes sense....

If nolva alone works for you thats great. 40/40/20/20 sounds much better though. :-)

[Bio-Active]

No Clomid in pct?

[ChiveOn]

Never have, and until I start seeing issues in blood work I think ill stay away.

[Bio-Active]

Never have, and until I start seeing issues in blood work I think ill stay away.

Fair enough I always had success running both but some do not tolerate the sides from Clomid well

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

I would Prami ED at .25mg the first week and .5mg the remainder of the cycle. Don't want to take chances with elevated PRL especially when your estrogen controller is at a low dosing.

Other then that I think it looks good

[ChiveOn]

Thanks for the input. Ill post up again before I start for last minute tweaking. Would you say to just go with the adex at .25 EoD the whole time? I only figured less because the test level is pretty low and I don't take an AI not in cycle. But that was more of a common sense thing to me not based on anything

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Thanks for the input. Ill post up again before I start for last minute tweaking. Would you say to just go with the adex at .25 EoD the whole time? I only figured less because the test level is pretty low and I don't take an AI not in cycle. But that was more of a common sense thing to me not based on anything

Yes stay with you adex dose all the way up to PCT. Don't worry about crushing your e2 levels, that is not going to happen when your running Test/Tren together especially at those levels of adex you're taking. You may even need to increase your Adex or Prami as the cycle progresses.

Tren isn't even on the same level as the compounds you have taken before and you will learn that. You will be glad you ran your Prami/Adex through the whole course, as it is what you should do .

Alot of people are clouded by the benefits of Tren that they don't realize how much more difficult the sides are to control and that's when they run into trouble. It is extremely powerful AAS not just in gains but the dark side of things as well .

[Lunk1]

I thin k your cycle looks damn near perfect as proposed! I would only suggest the addition of Clomid because Clomid and Nolva work on diff. receptors. Your call entirely.

[ChiveOn]

I thin k your cycle looks damn near perfect as proposed! I would only suggest the addition of Clomid because Clomid and Nolva work on diff. receptors. Your call entirely.

Thanks, I've spent a lot of time researching tren as I know how strong it is, both good and bad. I think ill stick to the e3d with adex and if I start running into issues ill change my protocol. I think ill add the clomid on a different cycle and see how I react to it and decide. Haven't had any issues with just nolva so I don't see a need to change. I'm open to new things if it'll help tho

[Lunk1]

Thanks, I've spent a lot of time researching tren as I know how strong it is, both good and bad. I think ill stick to the e3d with adex and if I start running into issues ill change my protocol. I think ill add the clomid on a different cycle and see how I react to it and decide. Haven't had any issues with just nolva so I don't see a need to change. I'm open to new things if it'll help tho

If I only could use one for PCT it would be Nolva no question but the addition of Clomid just helps a bit more yet! E3d AI is a fine start..I know it is alot easier to deal with elevated E2 than low E2..for me anyhow

[AlinSR]

70mg of tren is a high dosage for a first timer.

[Brohim]

I would run Nolva out for 6 weeks and add in 25mg of clomid for PCT. If no clomid just nolva for 6er.

Agree to take low dose of Prami - don't wait for sides control them from the beginning with adex and prami.

[copaaz]

Agree with Tren being a bit high for first go, but to each their own. I've heard that you do not have to up Tren each cycle to see results and seeing that's the case I started my tren at 350 a week for the cycle I'm on now and I'm seeing great results only after 12 days. Also running 300mg Test P EOD with it.

[ChiveOn]

So I've got a question to add.
Is it worth my time adding in Mast at 500/wk? It is my first with tren so I don't want to overload but I'm at 12%bf now so ill certainly be at 10% by the time I start. This is mainly a strength/ appearance cycle. Personal aesthetic more than anything.

My main concern being that I've never pinned ED before. And although I'm totally fine with that it kinda seems like too much going up to pinning 1.75ml a day every day for 8wks.
Ill probably just keep it as is, but i figured id ask. I hear mast is wonderful at low body fat
Thoughts?

[Lunk1]

So I've got a question to add.
Is it worth my time adding in Mast at 500/wk? It is my first with tren so I don't want to overload but I'm at 12%bf now so ill certainly be at 10% by the time I start. This is mainly a strength/ appearance cycle. Personal aesthetic more than anything.

My main concern being that I've never pinned ED before. And although I'm totally fine with that it kinda seems like too much going up to pinning 1.75ml a day every day for 8wks.
Ill probably just keep it as is, but i figured id ask. I hear mast is wonderful at low body fat
Thoughts?

Not only is Mast good at low BF but also a great addition to a Tren/Test cycle. If you dont mind the extra volume and extra expense...I would do it! Conventional wisdom says one compound at a time but Mast is such a nice addition under these cicumstances

[ChiveOn]

That's kind of what I was thinking. Ill just have to learn to pin new spots and split it up I guess. Never done more than a ml at a time. Or more than delts and glutes. I know that glutes can hold the extra volume but can delts hold that much?

[Lunk1]

That's kind of what I was thinking. Ill just have to learn to pin new spots and split it up I guess. Never done more than a ml at a time. Or more than delts and glutes. I know that glutes can hold the extra volume but can delts hold that much?

I normally do 2ML in delts...no prob. I also use quads religiously. I also normally run long esters so the volume is lower.

[ChiveOn]

Sounds good man. I think ill go for it! I was debating it in my head, looking for a reason to tell myself no other than the money but it just doesn't seem to be there! Lol
Besides, it's my last summer / cycle before the Marine Corps scoops me up for 8yrs so I may as well go big!

[Lunk1]

Sounds good man. I think ill go for it! I was debating it in my head, looking for a reason to tell myself no other than the money but it just doesn't seem to be there! Lol
Besides, it's my last summer / cycle before the Marine Corps scoops me up for 8yrs so I may as well go big!

8 years? Since when are there 8 year enlistments? 4 and 6 when I was in...

[ChiveOn]

I'm an officer. 4 active 4 reserve is the minimum contract

[Lunk1]

I'm an officer. 4 active 4 reserve is the minimum contract

I never counted the reserve time.....

Stay humble and treat the enlisted with respect lol.

[ChiveOn]

Damn straight man. I understand that just because I've got a shiny bar doesn't mean I know anything lol
The enlisted side has been there and has the real world experience, I have the training and book experience. Two totally different things

[Lunk1]

Damn straight man. I understand that just because I've got a shiny bar doesn't mean I know anything lol
The enlisted side has been there and has the real world experience, I have the training and book experience. Two totally different things

Semper Fi Teufel Hunden!

[fit2bOld]

Just keep on eye out for estrogen sides Chive with the Tren buddy......enjoy.