Monster dose of hCG before PCT

[KimboHalfSlice]

I have hCG made in India. It's 5000 IU.

The instructions says the following:

For intra-muscular injection only.
Indications in Males: Hypogonadism, Delayed Puberty, Cryptorchidism, Sterility due to deficient Spermatogenisis
Dosage in Males: 5000 IU twice weekly for 12 weeks

This is the first time I've ever seen a recommendation to inject 5000 IU at once.

At the moment I'm injecting 250 IU every day while I'm on Test & Tren.

I was thinking, on the day of my last injection of androgens, that I'll shoot 5000 IU of hCG at once... then not take anything until PCT and then do PCT as normal with just Tamoxifen & Clomiphene.

Any thoughts?

[MickeyKnox]

I have some thoughts. No. Do not do that.

Have you seen that recommended on this site anywhere to do a one time blast of 5k while you were using 250iu 2/wk on cycle???? No you have not.

So dont do that Almond.

[ironbeck]

If you have been taking a maintenance dose of 250ius x2 a week you shouldn't need to blast HCG before pct.

[KimboHalfSlice]

I'm taking 250 IU every day at the moment (not twice per week) because I have some shrinkage. Gonna reduce it to maybe 100 IU every day when they puff up a bit.

[Provita]

HCG is best taken SQ not IM.

Standard protocol is 250iu 2/3x per week. I take mine every mon,wed,fri.

You do not need anything more than that. You should stop the HCG dose 4 days prior to PCT. it should be out of your body when pct starts. You do not want anything to simulate LH. You want your P-gland to start secreting LH again. Thus, recovery starts.

So no, please leave the 5000iu injection.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Nothing wrong with ramping up your hcg dose right before pct but I definitely wouldn't take a 5000iu dose at once.

[MickeyKnox]

I'm taking 250 IU every day at the moment (not twice per week) because I have some shrinkage. Gonna reduce it to maybe 100 IU every day when they puff up a bit.

Weer you using hCG on cycle and experienced testicular atrophy? OR, were you not using hCG on cycle, experienced testicular atrophy, then began using hCG?

[>Good Luck<]

I find if you use to much Hcg, such as Hcg blasting- it causes testicular pain or discomfort. Not sure if that's just me, but happened 3/3 times!

Ronnie Rowland uses Hcg blasting for pct, but he does not recommend both protocols. Be careful because to much Hcg can cause you to not want to product your own LH anymore, just like to much of anything.

[KimboHalfSlice]

Androgens such as Test & Tren of course cause shutdown of the HPTA, but it's the testicles themselves are of most concern to bounce back, not the production of LH & FSH.

Of course the production of LH and FSH are a big deal, but that's rarely ever a problem.

Testicular atrophy is the problem.... which is why I was thinking it wouldn't be a bad idea to give your balls a good kick right when you come off everything.

Biggest question here is, can it do any harm to inject 5000 IU on your last day taking androgens?

I don't think hCG itself inhibits LH production. The hypothalmus kicks everything off by secreting GnRH... and the only thing that influences the production of GnRH is androgens. Of course, if a monster dose of hCG results in a massive production of Testosterone, then the Testosterone would inhibit the production of GnRH..... but I'm suggesting you take it along with your last injection of androgens so your Testosterone's gonna be through the roof anyway.

I'm open to correction!

[MickeyKnox]

Nothing wrong with ramping up your hcg dose right before pct but I definitely wouldn't take a 5000iu dose at once.

If i have included hCG on cycle and have successfully prevented testicular atrophy the entire time im on cycle, and i run my hCG up to PCT, why would i or anyone esle want to "ramp up" their hCG dose?

[KimboHalfSlice]

Were you using hCG on cycle and experienced testicular atrophy? OR, were you not using hCG on cycle, experienced testicular atrophy, then began using hCG?

I started without it... my balls shrunk quicker than expected... so then I started taking it.

[MickeyKnox]

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I started without it... my balls shrunk quicker than expected... so then I started taking it.

Thats what i thought. Lesson learned, and often the hard way.

[Bonaparte]

I don't think hCG itself inhibits LH production. The hypothalmus kicks everything off by secreting GnRH... and the only thing that influences the production of GnRH is androgens.

Estradiol is far more suppressive than androgens (apart from 19-nors, since they emulate nandrolone, which is normally only produced in tiny amounts).
And your pituitary normally only produces the equivalent of ~750 IUs of HCG, so you've already been stimulating your testes more than enough. More HCG isn't going to help, but the estrogen spike from it will throw you for a loop.

[Provita]

I'm sorry, but science aside... Injecting a whole vial of HCG at once!!! Come on... :-)

[Bonaparte]

I'm sorry, but science aside... Injecting a whole vial of HCG at once!!! Come on... :-)

That is the standard treatment for infertility when trying to conceive.

[Sgt. Hartman]

If i have included hCG on cycle and have successfully prevented testicular atrophy the entire time im on cycle, and i run my hCG up to PCT, why would i or anyone esle want to "ramp up" their hCG dose?

Because it helps in recovery, at least for me. I'm not talking about a ridiculous high dose just ramping from 250iu to say 500iu on the last couple shots leading to pct.

There's nothing wrong with having slightly higher than natural t levels entering pct, it will only help as long as ai is still being run, and apart from hcg raising t it also gives a sense of well being that can help in the beginning of pct.

[FONZY007]

Estradiol is far more suppressive than androgens (apart from 19-nors, since they emulate nandrolone, which is normally only produced in tiny amounts).
And your pituitary normally only produces the equivalent of ~750 IUs of HCG, so you've already been stimulating your testes more than enough. More HCG isn't going to help, but the estrogen spike from it will throw you for a loop.

I took 2000 ius once and **** my balls became bigger but also with acne problems

[BBJT200]

Yeah, hcg gives me acne as well if I don't keep an extrenely consistent schedule for my shots or go over 250iu

[MickeyKnox]

Because it helps in recovery, at least for me. I'm not talking about a ridiculous high dose just ramping from 250iu to say 500iu on the last couple shots leading to pct.

There's nothing wrong with having slightly higher than natural t levels entering pct, it will only help as long as ai is still being run, and apart from hcg raising t it also gives a sense of well being that can help in the beginning of pct.

Ahhh ok.

The reason i asked is because most folks experience a surge in E2 when a blast of hCG is administered. And this often presents unnecessary estrogen related sides, along with the spike in T levels.

[mockery]

That is the standard treatment for infertility when trying to conceive.

This ^

Big Ron has suggested using large amounts before pct on prolonged cycles if for what ever reason you cant run hcg for the duration of a long cycle, there is high dosage protocol before pct if say you only could purchase 1 bottle cause of world wide shortage etc or messed up order customs.. whatever.

Keep in mind that more you do gear over the years each reset is harder, some people have to start doing 3-5 x 1 pct after a cycle to try and reset cause 1 standard protocol doesn't work any more, and yeah when you're doing pct for 6 months a year its time to get on trt. Seems to be too much focus here about e2 levels raising then the hcg itself.

[kelkel]

Larger amounts (2000 IU EOD for 10 days) after a cycle is basically a Scally re-start protocol along with the standard Nolva/Clomid. LH is part of a feedback loop.