My NORMA TEST E / FUSION TEST P (20 week cycle plan)...Fine Tuning/Opinions??

[<JCVD>]

Proposed Cycle layed out below

Week 1-4

FUSION PHARMA Test Propionate 125mg - 1ml EOD
NORMA PHARMA GRADE TEST E 250mg - 2ml – per week
HCG 500iu x 2 per week pinned same day as Test E [Total 1000iu]
Arimedex 0.25mg EOD

Weeks 5-18
NORMA PHARMA GRADE TEST E 250mg - 3ml – per week
HCG 500iu x 2 per week pinned same day as Test E. [Total 1000iu]
AI - Arimedex 0.25mg EOD

Weeks 19-20
FUSION PHARMA Test Propionate 125mg - 1ml - ED
HGG 500iu x 2 times a week pinned with Test Prop [Total 1000iu]
AI - Arimedex 0.5mg EOD

Weeks 21-25 –PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20


Might also throw in 100mg of Anavar towards end of cycle from weeks 15-20 depending on how I am going with the Test.

Plan is to lean bulk for 12 weeks of the cycle then try and adjust diet to cut bodyfat down gradually from weeks 13-20.




Few questions regarding HCG....Still not sure whether to pin once per week at 1000iu or 2 x at 500iu. Is there any benefit of taking it inbetween test jabs or on same day as test jabs? Also would it be beneficial to run it at a higher dosage in the 2 weeks leading up to PCT to help with recovery for example.... 3 x shots of 1000iu a week ?? I dont want to have to be doing a power PCT again having failed to recover from it properly, like so many threads Ive seen on here lately.


Here are a few pictures of my NORMA Test E Very Excited to get started with these !! Unfortunately one of the vials broke in transit id imagine from postage as a few were loosely packed to safe space. Hopefully my source can replace it though with a bit of luck.


Lot. 1207069

Exp. 07/14

[austinite]

Stats brother, stats first...

[<JCVD>]

[<JCVD>]

Stats brother, stats first...

5'11''
89kg
25yr old

BF 15-16% estimate.

[austinite]

Cycle and training history?

[<JCVD>]

Cycle and training history?

First cycle...researching AAS for over 18months in depth. Finally going to to take the leap but havent taken the decision lightly. Training and diet knowledge is very good...Just want some views on the finer details of my cycle plan please. With particular attention to HCG dosage at very end of cycle and timing of jabs as have read conflicting opinions on it elsewhere than this forum.

[austinite]

Ok. Thanks for the info.

While I appreciate the amount of research you've done, this is very aggressive for a first cycle. No need to extend it this long, no need for multiple esters, no need for secondary compounds. Baby steps If it were my first cycle, this is what I would do:

Week 1 to 12 - Test CYP @ 500mg per week (pinned E3.5D's)
Week 1 to 12 - HCG @ 250 iu twice weekly (pin same days as your test)
Week 1 to 14 - Adex @ 0.25 EOD.

PCT wth Clomid 100/50/50/50 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20 (2 weeks after last pin)

[<JCVD>]

Ok. Thanks for the info.

While I appreciate the amount of research you've done, this is very aggressive for a first cycle. No need to extend it this long, no need for multiple esters, no need for secondary compounds. Baby steps If it were my first cycle, this is what I would do:

Week 1 to 12 - Test CYP @ 500mg per week (pinned E3.5D's)
Week 1 to 12 - HCG @ 250 iu twice weekly (pin same days as your test)
Week 1 to 14 - Adex @ 0.25 EOD.

PCT wth Clomid 100/50/50/50 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20 (2 weeks after last pin)

Appreciate your advice and and concern. I am however not afraid of needles and the amount of pinning needed for Prop. I agree that its a little aggressive adding Prop as the kickstarter but the cycle above has be drawn out by myself after long deliberation and feel I can handle it. The reasoning for the prop at the with short ester is to bridge the gap of two weeks from last Test e pin up to PCT. Why so little HCG ? Im interested to know your personal reasoning behind it?

Also btw I agree with not running extra compound in first cycle like orals etc as kickstarter as harder to determine cause of sides if they are experienced. The choice of anavar at the end will not be taken lightly either and was just a thought if I was coping well with the Test all the way through up to that point (15-16weeks in). Everything is bought and in place to start once get all clear from physio about my recent knee injury.

[austinite]

Appreciate your advice and and concern. I am however not afraid of needles and the amount of pinning needed for Prop. I agree that its a little aggressive adding Prop as the kickstarter but the cycle above has be drawn out by myself after long deliberation and feel I can handle it. The reasoning for the prop at the with short ester is to bridge the gap of two weeks from last Test e pin up to PCT. Why so little HCG ? Im interested to know your personal reasoning behind it?

Also btw I agree with not running extra compound in first cycle like orals etc as kickstarter as harder to determine cause of sides if they are experienced. The choice of anavar at the end will not be taken lightly either and was just a thought if I was coping well with the Test all the way through up to that point. Everything is bought and in place to start once get all clear from physio about my recent knee injury.

250iu twice weekly is all you need to help you recover faster and prevent testicular atrophy. Note that my protocol also refers to the cycle plan I laid out.

I wasn't referring to being afraid of pinning. Research is an incredible tool, but you have to remember that everyone is different and will react a different way to these compounds. You will have to learn how your body reacts and as you learn, you begin to adjust doses to meet your needs. Again, research is great, but experience is better. This is why you should ease into this. Grow into your dose, learn your body, experiment later.

Best of luck.

[<JCVD>]

250iu twice weekly is all you need to help you recover faster and prevent testicular atrophy. Note that my protocol also refers to the cycle plan I laid out.

I wasn't referring to being afraid of pinning. Research is an incredible tool, but you have to remember that everyone is different and will react a different way to these compounds. You will have to learn how your body reacts and as you learn, you begin to adjust doses to meet your needs. Again, research is great, but experience is better. This is why you should ease into this. Grow into your dose, learn your body, experiment later.

Best of luck.

Yes I do appreciate that. Thanks for your thoughts and input. Cheers its always good to hear feedback from different sources !!

[songdog]

Appreciate your advice and and concern. I am however not afraid of needles and the amount of pinning needed for Prop. I agree that its a little aggressive adding Prop as the kickstarter but the cycle above has be drawn out by myself after long deliberation and feel I can handle it. The reasoning for the prop at the with short ester is to bridge the gap of two weeks from last Test e pin up to PCT. Why so little HCG ? Im interested to know your personal reasoning behind it?

Also btw I agree with not running extra compound in first cycle like orals etc as kickstarter as harder to determine cause of sides if they are experienced. The choice of anavar at the end will not be taken lightly either and was just a thought if I was coping well with the Test all the way through up to that point (15-16weeks in). Everything is bought and in place to start once get all clear from physio about my recent knee injury.

Why do guys like you who never cycled and dont have no experence.Come up with some crazy cycle then waste our time by asking our opinion.When you were going to run it anyway? You didnt want our opinion.You thought you were the only one to come up with a cycle like that.But wat you fail to realise is you are only going to grow so much per cycle! But you think if you come out blasting you will be one up.Sorry bro it dont work that way.Grow into your dose and you grow on food and rest outside the gym.AAS is a small part.Try listening and not talking you might learn something.Austinite knows wat he is talking about.DO YOU!!

[Rv8G30]

Just a simple question. I've always tried to things based on what I've been told on here. Currently on my 2nd cycle and still doing it by the books. But say you did extend your cycle out to 15 or 20 weeks. Assuming you make your gains in the first 10 to 12 weeks and plateau after that, would extending the cycle help you hang onto your gains better? It seems you would just be maintaining what you have at that point. Just curious. But I dont see how its worth it if your not on TRT. Being shutdown after you made your gains seems like a bad idea or a good way to end up on TRT.

[<JCVD>]

LOL...Songdog....you lost me after 'guys like you'....haha some dude calm down on the Tren

Just a simple question. I've always tried to things based on what I've been told on here. Currently on my 2nd cycle and still doing it by the books. But say you did extend your cycle out to 15 or 20 weeks. Assuming you make your gains in the first 10 to 12 weeks and plateau after that, would extending the cycle help you hang onto your gains better? It seems you would just be maintaining what you have at that point. Just curious. But I dont see how its worth it if your not on TRT. Being shutdown after you made your gains seems like a bad idea or a good way to end up on TRT.

Why would you plateau after 10-12 weeks man??? If your diet and training is on key there is no reason as to why you wont keep gaining .... same as you would if training naturally...albeit it at a faster rate using AAS. You wont be shut down harder or longer than running 12 weeks or 20 weeks if you are running AI and adequate Hcg along with it to keep things ticking over. There has been studies done on people for 20 week cycle that were specifically instructed not train or increase protein intake, just a mere observational test on how a dose of 600mg affects them over course of 20weeks. All made full recovery without pct measure over course of 4 months naturally. Average gain was 8lbs of muscle mass and 3 lbs fat lost or something along those lines I must route it back up actually. The whole idea of HCG is to keep things ticking over so you recover much faster and keep more gains as your natural testosterone levels will resume back to a normal range faster as opposed to if you never ran it. From my research the best dose is 1000iu per week whilst on cycle. I appreciate Ausitinite has a great knowledge and experience and recommends 500iu weekly and thats what works from him, but I wouldnt take everything any one person says as gospel and immediately change mine or your plans because of it. I have conversed with numerous high level users and highly respected members of other forums which may have conflicting methods and approaches. You just gotta do your research and take as much advice as you can get and decide yourself whats best for you. I just started this thread really as im excited to get going and showing off my NORMA lol, I appreciate the comments good and bad on my cycle...but as I said it hasnt been just thrown together I believe this will be a good cycle for me. I do however have a good support system of experienced users around me whilst training so Im luckily enough Ive fast tracked through my research over 18months.