Cutting to the bones!

[qscgugcsq]

I was curious of the best cutting cycle. For extreme advanced user of course.

Test/tren/mast/var/t3/clen

It's simply insane like cycle IMO

I was wondering does stacking t3/clen with tren could cause any unwanted effect? Like overheating?

I personally think that this kind of cycle is useless for cosmetic use. I mean except if you are competing stacking so much is just too much...

For a simple beach body test/tren/mast or test/var/t3/clen willl be more than enough.

Someone here actually tried this cycle or close to it??
How you felt...?
You did it for a competition or personal cosmetic use??
What was the result??
Would you do it again?



Must be deprivating, tren/mast/var dry as hell, insomnia,pumped as ****. t3/clen Heat,shake,headache,palpitation...

It's simply overkill for BF XD

[Metalject]

I've run all those items together but instead of Anavar I used Winstrol as well as HGH. I never had any of the issues you're talking about.

[qscgugcsq]

Nice to know.

Were you preparing for a contest??
How were you feeling during you cycle??

[austinite]

Someone here actually tried this cycle or close to it??
How you felt...?
You did it for a competition or personal cosmetic use??
What was the result??
Would you do it again?

I just wrapped up test/primo/tren/mast/var/T3. Decent cycle. Felt pretty good throughout except when Tren was introduced. I would probably never do it again, no more tren for me. Growing to dislike the compound. Clen is garbage if you ask me. T3 is an amazing compound if you know how to use it.

Results are good. I paced myself. Started @ 13.66% BF and 199 lbs (6 foot). Today I am 219 @ 12.84% as of March 1st. (this should and could have been close to 10%, but I screwed up bigtime... long story). Been on an extreme caliric deficit since then so I suspect I'm under 12 now. I'll know next week after my bodpod appt.

[kelkel]

We like your long stories. Especially the ones involving women!

[austinite]

We like your long stories. Especially the ones involving women!

lol, I hope I don't have another story like that for a very very long time, if ever!

[songdog]

5'9 165 and 19 yrs old! who is the advanced user?

[austinite]

5'9 165 and 19 yrs old! who is the advanced user?

FARK! didn't notice the age.

[qscgugcsq]

Do I have to always justify everything. its getting boting at the end... Damn it's an hypothetical question. It just seems like an overkill cycle and I was curious about it... I'm not saying that im the experienced user I didnt even done a cycle yet...

I just nice to have experience of other member.

[qscgugcsq]

I just wrapped up test/primo/tren/mast/var/T3. Decent cycle. Felt pretty good throughout except when Tren was introduced. I would probably never do it again, no more tren for me. Growing to dislike the compound. Clen is garbage if you ask me. T3 is an amazing compound if you know how to use it.

Results are good. I paced myself. Started @ 13.66% BF and 199 lbs (6 foot). Today I am 219 @ 12.84% as of March 1st. (this should and could have been close to 10%, but I screwed up bigtime... long story). Been on an extreme caliric deficit since then so I suspect I'm under 12 now. I'll know next week after my bodpod appt.

You took 20 pounds with such cutting compound... Amazing. I imagine T3 were physiological dose?? Supra would have been counterproductive.

And I'm sry for whatever happenned to you... Hope you're better now

[Metalject]

Nice to know.

Were you preparing for a contest??
How were you feeling during you cycle??

Yes, contest cycle. Felt fine till the last few weeks but always feel tired and beat down at the end of a contest diet regardless of the gear being used. That's just part of it.

[austinite]

You took 20 pounds with such cutting compound... Amazing. I imagine T3 were physiological dose?? Supra would have been counterproductive.

And I'm sry for whatever happened to you... Hope you're better now

T3 was dosed at 140mcg daily. Not the entire cycle of course (this was a 24 week cycle). it was cut/bulk/cut. I only use T3 while bulking. Cutting/bulking is all diet. Compounds are not quite relevant in that department. Just amplifies what you eat.

[Metalject]

I just wrapped up test/primo/tren/mast/var/T3. Decent cycle. Felt pretty good throughout except when Tren was introduced. I would probably never do it again, no more tren for me. Growing to dislike the compound. Clen is garbage if you ask me. T3 is an amazing compound if you know how to use it.

Results are good. I paced myself. Started @ 13.66% BF and 199 lbs (6 foot). Today I am 219 @ 12.84% as of March 1st. (this should and could have been close to 10%, but I screwed up bigtime... long story). Been on an extreme caliric deficit since then so I suspect I'm under 12 now. I'll know next week after my bodpod appt.

I used clen very successfully for a long time but for some reason as I got older I could hardly stand it any more. Even a mere 40mcg became unbearable and I've never understood why, I never understood what changed.

[austinite]

I used clen very successfully for a long time but for some reason as I got older I could hardly stand it any more. Even a mere 40mcg became unbearable and I've never understood why, I never understood what changed.

That's exactly where I had to stop. 40mcg. sick to my stomach and slept all day. I thought my first round was a bad batch or something other than clen. Tried it again the following year... same thing. I wish I could handle it, some seem to have decent results with it. I'm giving albuteral a go to see what happens.

[Metalject]

That's exactly where I had to stop. 40mcg. sick to my stomach and slept all day. I thought my first round was a bad batch or something other than clen. Tried it again the following year... same thing. I wish I could handle it, some seem to have decent results with it. I'm giving albuteral a go to see what happens.

For me it was just the basic stimulant side effects, you know a wired feeling and shaky hands but it was so bad I couldn't function. It just became very uncomfortable. A few times my heart was pounding so hard it had me a little concerned, and again I'm talking about 40mcg. Now I'll admit the last few times I used Clen it was research Clen, you know, oral liquid. I never once had an issue with tabs. But I never had a problem with liquid stuff either back in the day, so I'm not sure. Maybe one day I'll get some tabs and try it again, but when/if I do I'll be starting with a measly 10-20mcg per day and go from there.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, T3 is one of the greatest things of all time, I agree. But so is Tren

[austinite]

For me it was just the basic stimulant side effects, you know a wired feeling and shaky hands but it was so bad I couldn't function. It just became very uncomfortable. A few times my heart was pounding so hard it had me a little concerned, and again I'm talking about 40mcg. Now I'll admit the last few times I used Clen it was research Clen, you know, oral liquid. I never once had an issue with tabs. But I never had a problem with liquid stuff either back in the day, so I'm not sure. Maybe one day I'll get some tabs and try it again, but when/if I do I'll be starting with a measly 10-20mcg per day and go from there.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, T3 is one of the greatest things of all time, I agree. But so is Tren

I'll wait 5 more years for you to change your mind. hehe.

[Metalject]

I'll wait 5 more years for you to change your mind. hehe.

Do you have problems with it even on low doses? What problems specifically? I'm sure you've said but I haven't seen.

[austinite]

Do you have problems with it even on low doses? What problems specifically? I'm sure you've said but I haven't seen.

I mostly only ran low doses, the highest for me was 560mg. It's mostly my body I think. I can handle the sweats and pumps. Insomnia sucked but again, I can deal with that for short cycles. Problem is Tren's nutrient partitioning does nothing for me. Very aggravating to be honest.

[Metalject]

I mostly only ran low doses, the highest for me was 560mg. It's mostly my body I think. I can handle the sweats and pumps. Insomnia sucked but again, I can deal with that for short cycles. Problem is Tren's nutrient partitioning does nothing for me. Very aggravating to be honest.

Does nothing for you? I don't understand. Are you saying Tren doesn't work with you? I can't understand how that's even possible. Can you elaborate?

BTW, I'm not sure if I'd consider 560mg/wk a low dose. 50mg/eod, that IMO is a low dose.

[austinite]

Does nothing for you? I don't understand. Are you saying Tren doesn't work with you? I can't understand how that's even possible. Can you elaborate?

BTW, I'm not sure if I'd consider 560mg/wk a low dose. 50mg/eod, that IMO is a low dose.

Damnit. You made me dig up old files in my ancient laptop.

As mentioned, 560 was my highest. I've run 50 and 75 both ed and eod. I couldnt tell you how it's possible. Same way I'm mind-boggled when everyone says they see results from Test E after 5 weeks, when it takes me a minimum of 8 weeks. Just a slow responder I guess.

As for Tren and fat burning, it doesnt do anything for me. It simply does not work with my body. For example:

On a 2000 calorie diet (500 below TDEE), minding my macronutrients....

First cycle: 500mg Test E, 80mcg T3. I stopped T3 for 2 weeks before going to -> (120mcg last 3 weeks) -- 12 weeks.
Starting Stats: 205 lbs, 15% BF, 174 LBM
Finishing Stats: 200 lbs, 13% BF, 174 LBM

Second cycle: 500mg Test E, 250mg Tren E -- 12 weeks.
Starting Stats: 200 lbs, 16% BF, 168 LBM
Finishing Stats: 200 lbs, 15% BF, 170 LBM


^ That was my diet, not tren.

These 2 cycles were about 8 months apart. I can't explain this. Testosterone was Pfizer and Tren was Scirrox, T3 was AR's.

Don't get me wrong, I like the way I look on Tren, but in the fat loss department... forget about it. So, since it's only an aesthetic, hard look that I get, I'll stick to Mast going forward.

[BBJT200]

I'm kind of in the same boat as you, austinite. I've been on tren for 6.5 weeks now and i've seen absolutely nothing in terms of nutrient partitioning. All it's done is made me feel like crap.
It may have to do with my fluctuating estrogen levels due to adrenal problems, but i'm about to toss tren as a suitable compound for myself.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

Actually I did the same cycle as the OP minus the anavar and t3.

I got to 9% (my pic) and I started at, um, 25% so I'd say it worked.

I'm stacking clen and t3 now, but I've never used anavar. If someone can convince me it's worth the money then I'll throw it in for my next contest.

[songdog]

Do I have to always justify everything. its getting boting at the end... Damn it's an hypothetical question. It just seems like an overkill cycle and I was curious about it... I'm not saying that im the experienced user I didnt even done a cycle yet...

I just nice to have experience of other member.

Not trying to be rude bro but when a underage kid comes up with something like this.Wat am I suppose to think?

[P.Money]

Personally, I've never liked the sound of T3/T4 or anything that messes with your Thyroid, that just sounds like a ticking time bomb. You can mess up your Thyroid for life, some people will do the stuff for cycles on end and never have a problem. However, one bad lucked person will do it once without following the right directions, or simply have a body that responds differently to those compounds and be messed for life.

On another note, running many short estered compounds can be a pain in the butt. Hard to jam everything in one injection, especially when pinning EOD. 3CC in thigh, 2CC in delt, 4-5CC in glutes I guess. Hence why sometimes you need to pin ED. And pinning ED for 10 weeks blows, and that's coming from a guy who actually enjoys injecting himself lol.

Also, it seems that every time you start running a lot of compounds you have to counter balance the side effects with another compound. It's almost never ending. But for the most part, I can justify being a walking laboratory with the gains that come with the less pleasant sides of a multiple compound cycle.

[evander87]

I'll admit I love Clen. I "like" T3. Both work but when I'm cutting I'm carb cycling and my energy is low. When using Clen the stimulate effect gives me energy while torching fat. T3 torches fat but doesn't pick me up and I'm left feeling like crap. That's from diet, NOT the compound.

[qscgugcsq]

Personally, I've never liked the sound of T3/T4 or anything that messes with your Thyroid, that just sounds like a ticking time bomb. You can mess up your Thyroid for life, some people will do the stuff for cycles on end and never have a problem. However, one bad lucked person will do it once without following the right directions, or simply have a body that responds differently to those compounds and be messed for life.

On another note, running many short estered compounds can be a pain in the butt. Hard to jam everything in one injection, especially when pinning EOD. 3CC in thigh, 2CC in delt, 4-5CC in glutes I guess. Hence why sometimes you need to pin ED. And pinning ED for 10 weeks blows, and that's coming from a guy who actually enjoys injecting himself lol.

Also, it seems that every time you start running a lot of compounds you have to counter balance the side effects with another compound. It's almost never ending. But for the most part, I can justify being a walking laboratory with the gains that come with the less pleasant sides of a multiple compound cycle.

You worry about thyroid problem. but playing with aas it a risk at any age... so following your logic you should not use aas either...

Most adult healthy male will recover from a well planned cycle.
Someone with predisposition to problem will have problem like with thyroid...

I would personnally preder thyroid problem over test production related problem...

Just my opinion