2nd CYCLE NEED SOME FEED OR IF ANYONE HAS RAN THE SAME.

[nicomate]

So I'm starting my 2nd cycle, I'm done 5months of recovery from my last run OF 5 MONTHS and it went very smooth.


Anyway I'm planing a nice bulk cycle but need your feed back or if you've ran the same cycle etc also are my pin days too mixed up or should I run all at the same time test and deca as in the same days.

Diet:3000-4000 calorie clean.

Working out for 5yrs

33yrs old
285lbs
6FT

Here it is.


14 week run:

Wks/1-14 test E or sus? 1250 mg per week split:
Monday 500mg
Thursday 500mg
Saturday 250mg

Front load:
Wks/1-5 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 30 mg everyday

Wks/1-12 deca-durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 500mg 5xCC per week:
Tuesday 200mg
Friday 200mg
Sunday 100mg

Proviron everyday 50mg : 25mg morning and 25mg b4 bed time

PCT along with clmid and hcg (taking proviron so should i still take AX?

Thanks guys

[songdog]

You are way off trck bro.There is NO WAY you need anything more than 500mg.

[austinite]

HCG on cycle. What is your PCT protocol? What did you PCT for your last run?

Just seems like you're trying to run before you can walk brother. Slow down, grow into your dose. If you feel you need that much gear, your diet is way way off.

Best of luck.

[crazy mike]

Give more stats.
How long you been training. and at what type of intensity.
How much experience being around gear and people cycling to influence your good knowledge of realty of aas. Have you checked your diet with one's that know ? I think you are using way to much and you don't need to spread it all out that way, hence too much pinning. More to go wrong. ...crazy mike

[nicomate]

Thanks for the replys! on my 1st run i was on test only and proviron, 4 cc a week and 25mg of proviron everyday.

i did hcg and ran clomid for 50days. i was on proviron so i didnt take anything else while i was on gear.

traiing for 5 yrs
im 284 to be exact
6ft

also why is my diet wrong? too much or too little?

AGAIN thanks for the replys and maybe i dont need to run so much though i do want to run test deca dbol etc.

[austinite]

I'd get some blood work to start. A full hormone panel. And go back to basics if all is good. Test E for 12 weeks, HCG AI and then a PROPER PCT with clomd and tamox.

[nicomate]

I have to see my doc on thursday and i was actually going to get blood work done 1st. so you're saying run another test only cycle again as my 2nd run? i did do clomid with a HCG at the start when i was off, i felt i should of done clomid for 100days or was the 50 fine? i have no gyno or get any sides besides back spasams, have you ever heard of that as a side? i would get them really bad. whats tamox? ill have to look into that.

[austinite]

I have to see my doc on thursday and i was actually going to get blood work done 1st. so you're saying run another test only cycle again as my 2nd run? i did do clomid with a HCG at the start when i was off, i felt i should of done clomid for 100days or was the 50 fine? i have no gyno or get any sides besides back spasams, have you ever heard of that as a side? i would get them really bad. whats tamox? ill have to look into that.

For the 5 month cycle you should have been more agressive with your PCT. 5 months is just silly for a first run. Hardly ever neccessary.

For a 12 week cycle of Test e you would need to run Clomid@ 75/50/50/50 and Tamox @ 40/20/20/20. HCG is to be used ON cycle. That's what prevents testicular atrophy and speeds up recovery. ON CYCLE>

[nicomate]

when i done my last pin i waited 5 or 6 days then pinned HCG . So how is HCG used on cycle? i was getting all my info from my close friends which train like mad on gear so i went with it but ive read that on boards before about using hcg on cycles. i did get my nads back though i kinda lost a bit of sex drive, im still smashing but not like b4, do you think this is due to not properly using hcg???? im glad i joined this site because its useful to know these things. thanks alot.

about my diet you said its not good? do tell =)

[austinite]

when i done my last pin i waited 5 or 6 days then pinned HCG . So how is HCG used on cycle? i was getting all my info from my close friends which train like mad on gear so i went with it but ive read that on boards before about using hcg on cycles. i did get my nads back though i kinda lost a bit of sex drive, im still smashing but not like b4, do you think this is due to not properly using hcg???? im glad i joined this site because its useful to know these things. thanks alot.

about my diet you said its not good? do tell =)

Your friends are all clueless and probably never done any bloodwork. You're probably just a lucky one that "maybe" has recovered. Only bloodwork will tell however.

HCG on cycle at 250iu twice weely (if you're pinning 500mg weekly, which is MORE than plenty).

Stick around, lots to learn and good to have you on board.

[nicomate]

That makes total sense! thanks alot im going to get a full hormone check and ill get back with the results! so no deca or dbol for my 2nd run youre saying? maybe ill wait and just do a proper test cycle and add the HCG. Oh one more thing, so being on hcg while on cycle will i have to do it again when i get off and is the recovery the same time? so like if i do 12-14 weeks do i wait 12-14 weeks before starting my 3rd?

Thanks for having me!

[austinite]

Correct. Run a few cycles of Test only to really learn how your body reacts with a proper diet (I promise you, your diet is way off if you feel you need 1200+mg of test). That should be your priority right now, you can list your detailed diet in the nutrition section and let the pro's there critique it for you. AAS merely amplifies what you eat. It doesn't really work alone.

If you follow my protocol you do not need HCG after your last injection of Test. Your cycle would need to be as follows:

Week 1 to 12: TEST E @ 500mg weekly. (pinned twice per week, every 3.5 days @ 250mg each)
Week 1 to 12: HCG @ 500iu weekly. (pinned twice per week, every 3.5 days @ 250iu each)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg Every other day.

PCT starts 2 weeks after your last Test injection. Clomid@ 75/50/50/50 and Tamox @ 40/20/20/20 (each number is representative of the daily dose for that week, so week 1's daily dose/week 2's daily dose/week 3's daily dose/week 4's daily dose.

Good luck.

[stpete]

Lucky austin's such a nice guy....

You need to do some research!

[nicomate]

Awesome thanks i will play it safe and ill keep you posted down the road.

Thank you!

[austinite]

Awesome thanks i will play it safe and ill keep you posted down the road.

Thank you!

Good call and thank you.

[tdoe11]

Correct. Run a few cycles of Test only to really learn how your body reacts with a proper diet (I promise you, your diet is way off if you feel you need 1200+mg of test). That should be your priority right now, you can list your detailed diet in the nutrition section and let the pro's there critique it for you. AAS merely amplifies what you eat. It doesn't really work alone.

If you follow my protocol you do not need HCG after your last injection of Test. Your cycle would need to be as follows:

Week 1 to 12: TEST E @ 500mg weekly. (pinned twice per week, every 3.5 days @ 250mg each)
Week 1 to 12: HCG @ 500iu weekly. (pinned twice per week, every 3.5 days @ 250iu each)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg Every other day.

PCT starts 2 weeks after your last Test injection. Clomid@ 75/50/50/50 and Tamox @ 40/20/20/20 (each number is representative of the daily dose for that week, so week 1's daily dose/week 2's daily dose/week 3's daily dose/week 4's daily dose.

Good luck.

Excellent advice and perfect cycle. And you won't sticking yourself 7 days a week

[songdog]

Read the stickys bro there is a ton of info there.