23g vs 25g

[johnnymctrance]

Is there much difference pinning with a 25g compared to a 23g???

Ive been using 23 the whole time and am wondering if its better to use a 25???

[austinite]

both are fine. Easier to push oil through a 23 (obviously), but 25 aint so bad.

[Warrior1700]

Either is fine, if you warm the (oily) gear in hot water it helps push thru the pin. Just gonna be a bit slower with smaller pins.

[johnnymctrance]

Is there any advantage of using a 25g??? like less pain or discomfort???

I mean 23g is fine, i just thought it might be a bit less painfull or something

[austinite]

Is there any advantage of using a 25g??? like less pain or discomfort???

I mean 23g is fine, i just thought it might be a bit less painfull or something

yeah the pin goes in smoother. And if you have an issue with injecting too fast, a higher gauge helps.

[kelkel]

Try the 25 and you won't go back. Hell, I use a 27 for most everything anymore. Load with that damn 23.

[johnnymctrance]

yeah the pin goes in smoother. And if you have an issue with injecting too fast, a higher gauge helps.

Thats great lads thanks for the help!!!

[Bio-Active]

Interesting i have been using 23 for years!

Try the 25 and you won't go back. Hell, I use a 27 for most everything anymore. Load with that damn 23.

[Warrior1700]

Interesting i have been using 23 for years!

Me too...*thinkin when I run outta 23, I'm goin to 25*....maybe even try 27

[johnnymctrance]

Me too...*thinkin when I run outta 23, I'm goin to 25*....maybe even try 27

The reason i asked was that im thinking of doing a prop cycle next and was thinking with all the extra pinning i would try and make it as painless as possible!!

[Warrior1700]

Yea that should help, you can also change pin sites as well. Delt for instance, even thigh. I personally have not tried Delt yet, but some pin there exclusively. Remember to warm the gear also, thins it a bit to get thru the smaller pins.

[kelkel]

Once you guys try the smaller gauge you won't look back. It pushes through just fine and you don't have to warm it up. I've even used a 31ga slin for SQ cyp with no issues. Right now using the 27's pretty much exclusively I don't want to look at the 25's. You'll be amazed with the difference IMHO.

Time to upgrade guys. No need to poke larger holes in yourself than you have to.....

[Metalject]

Once you guys try the smaller gauge you won't look back. It pushes through just fine and you don't have to warm it up. I've even used a 31ga slin for SQ cyp with no issues. Right now using the 27's pretty much exclusively I don't want to look at the 25's. You'll be amazed with the difference IMHO.

Time to upgrade guys. No need to poke larger holes in yourself than you have to.....

Agree big time! The idea that some have that you need these massive gauge long ass needles just doesn't make sense. Granted, when I was young and dumb I thought you needed big pins too. I got to where I never used anything bigger than 25g though and that was even with Testoviron which is often very, very thick. During contest phases I'd even use large insulin needles for just about everything...made daily pinning so much more tolerable and worked just fine.

[auswest]

Man up use an 18g..

Seriously though I used a 23g for a while but when you have a choice of a 25 or 23 a 23 looks much more inviting, I mainly use 25s now but I struggle getting 25s long enough for glute shots so that's the only place I use 23s now.

[kronik420]

Man up use an 18g..

Seriously though I used a 23g for a while but when you have a choice of a 25 or 23 a 23 looks much more inviting, I mainly use 25s now but I struggle getting 25s long enough for glute shots so that's the only place I use 23s now.

ebay

i got a box of 100 25g 1.5" and a box of 22g for drawing

[auswest]

ebay

i got a box of 100 25g 1.5" and a box of 22g for drawing

Cheers
That's where I usually buy guess I'm just not looking hard enough..
23g/1.25 is what I usually use

[kronik420]

might try the 27g when i run out of 25g pins..

[sorooshusa]

I guess one advantage of higher gauge pins, besides less pain, is less of the stuff leaks out, assuming same length pins, different gauges. every time I pin 23, there's always a drop oozing out, and I'm like, damn that could have been 1% more gains, i lost. lol

[Warrior1700]

I can only find 27g in 1 1/4 in , I have always used 1" , gonna make any diff? Also, any brand better than the other, I have been using B-D, but see on line that Exel, Terumo, Nipro? Thanks.

[kelkel]

I prefer BD with interchangeable pins for loading. Check the site sponsor and if not there then try directlinemedical .com.

[johnnymctrance]

Is there any difference in PIP between the smaller vs larger guage???

[Warrior1700]

I prefer BD with interchangeable pins for loading. Check the site sponsor and if not there then try directlinemedical .com.

Ok thanks. I do that as well, load with 21g, BD, and change to 23, but now gonna get 27. I'll check the site and then the other. No difference in the length then............ from 1" - 1 1/4" Thanks.

[Ashop]

Is there much difference pinning with a 25g compared to a 23g???

Ive been using 23 the whole time and am wondering if its better to use a 25???

If you have the extra time and patience,,,try the 25g

[kelkel]

Length is up to you, the location your injecting and your BF%. I've never gone over 1" but anymore the 27's I use are .5 inch. I don't recommend that unless you're very lean.

Luckyshot is on target with his response above. The smaller gauge forces a slower push which is more prudent anyway.

[BBJT200]

When I'm doing 3mL shots in my glutes, I really like 22-23g. It takes forever with a 25g...and I feel like I do more tissue damage with the 25g than the 23g due to how much longer i'm pushing on the plunger.

Delts, tris, etc....25g for sure.

[AlinSR]

I use a 27 g sometimes, it just takes a few min.

[Antonious]

so best source for syringes is ebay for yall? and what brand?

[The Titan99]

Man up use an 18g..

Seriously though I used a 23g for a while but when you have a choice of a 25 or 23 a 23 looks much more inviting, I mainly use 25s now but I struggle getting 25s long enough for glute shots so that's the only place I use 23s now.

I think if you need 1.5 inch needles for glute shots there's something wrong with your diet. That said I'd use an 8 incher for glute shots on your Avatar!!!

[Warrior1700]

Phooey...I hear ya Titan, However, I just ordered 27g but couldn't find anything shorter than 1 1/4, but they sent me 1 1/2 ...Argh, not worth the return shipping cost IMO. Think the 1 1/2 is too long? I am fairly lean and usually pin in glute or quad sometimes.

[kelkel]

Warrior check the site sponsor or try directlinemedical .com

Make sure they have interchangeable pins...

[RoadToHuge]

Some oil is too slow thru the 27. 25 is my sweet spot. Dont even feel the damn thing unless I hit a vessle or a nerver (rare). I did have a gusher from a 25 guage needle once, The stream was so thin is was kinda funny..

[kybigkid07]

I don't think 23s are bad?

[Warrior1700]

I don't think 23s are bad?

I have been using 23g for a year, no not bad, just pinned my thigh tho and I had pip for days. I just got my 27g , much thinner but have not pinned yet, will update Tues after I do. See how it goes.

[kelkel]

I don't think 23s are bad?

Probably because you've never tried a 25 or 27? Yes?

[Warrior1700]

Bro's..Ok, I tried a 27g pin yesterday (tues) in my glute, I bent 2 pins trying to inject the gear and could barely get it to move. I had to switch back to the 23g (all I had) in fear of causing tissue trauma messin around there so long. Surprisingly no pip after 3 holes and bending pics...Lmao.

Also, remembering what Dr. John Crisler said about SubQ inj...I was getting worried that the gear was going to be going in too fine like a sharp fast stream and cause tissue damage as he points out in the SubQ video.