** Please Do Not Undermine Other Members **

[MickeyKnox]

Seems to me that there has been a rash of undermining in the threads lately.

What i mean is, lets say for instance Marcus, or Austin, or MI, or a host of other Senior and knowledgeable members enter a thread in the Q&A and easily determine that its in the OP's best interest (health or otherwise) that he provide additional details about himself, STATS, before any other advice should be given.

There's a reason for this guys. And it could be that the senior member feels the OP is too young, or too fat, or too skinny or too anything else because of the way the question was written, or in the words chosen, and certain flags were raised. These flags are enough suspicion that the senior member feels additional information should be known about the OP before providing any additional advice that could jeopardize the health or well being of the OP.

If you see this, please DO NOT skip over the request for additional information (Stats) and begin to advise the OP. You are not helping in any way. You are just serving to confuse the OP and undermining the senior member's attempt at acquiring important additional information that will be used to make intelligent responsible suggestions and advice.

Please respect anyone, in any thread, who asks for this advice in the future. Thanks for understanding.

FTR; Stats include age, height, weight, BF%, cycle experience, lifting experience...ect.

[Times Roman]

Mickey's right.

There's a certain way things kinda go around here, so if you see a senior member raising questions about the subject matter, please don't leapfrog over those questions and rattle off what you think is in the member's best interest.

There is no "one size fits all" answer to steroid use.

We want to make sure we put the member on the right path, and that is the safe and intelligent use of steroids. And quite often, that may mean NOT taking steroids!

Peace
---Roman

[Provita]

^^^^^Agree!

[Scottyb13]

^^x2 thanks for this thread.. That was starting to get on my nerves.. Not giving stats because they don care or they are gonna cycle anyways.. Or probably not giving stats for the simple fact that they know there not ready for AAS use

[ChiveOn]

You suck and I hate your face! Oh.... I mean listen to Mickey

[jimmyinkedup]

I agree with the premise and intention of this post. However people can post whatever they like as long as they follow the rules. The senior members and staff are free to do so as well. There are no 2 sets of rules - we all follow the same ones and as long as rules are followed no one should be told not to post something if they want too. Its more the responsibility of staff and senior members to make sure proper advice is given and supported than it is to try to dictate what can or cant or should or shouldn't be posted and when.
Rest assured if someone continues to give imprudent foolish dangerous advice they will be dealt with, they always have been, but post what you want when you want as long as its within the rules.

[MickeyKnox]

You're right Jimmy. As long as the rules are being followed who am I, or anyone else, to dictate what is being said. But i felt it necessary to bring this to light and give others something to consider when faced with these circumstances.

Its a personal choice and decision. But i opt for the rule of thumb, under 25 and over 15% is something worth paying closer attention to before handing out advice that could permanently change an individuals endocrine system, or cause future problems in other areas.

I appreciate you comments, as always.

[RA]

Im 17 with 25% bodyfat. I want a good clean cycle to make me ripped for the beach. Can you guys help me?


ps can you drink winny?

[kronik420]

Im 17 with 25% bodyfat. I want a good clean cycle to make me ripped for the beach. Can you guys help me?


ps can you drink winny?

buysteroids.com

go for the 'ultimate cutting stack'

[MickeyKnox]

Im 17 with 25% bodyfat. I want a good clean cycle to make me ripped for the beach. Can you guys help me?


ps can you drink winny?

Im pretty sure TR started an informative thread on how to inject into your eye. Check it out and report back..lol

Welcome back. Haven't seen you around in awhile.

[Armykid93]

buysteroids.com

go for the 'ultimate cutting stack'

Haha!

[RA]

THANKS! lol

buysteroids.com

go for the 'ultimate cutting stack'

[RA]

Will do

Thanks Mickey. Been super busy workin. Good to see the board is in good hands. I'll try to be around more. You know, to keep things interesting

Im pretty sure TR started an informative thread on how to inject into your eye. Check it out and report back..lol

Welcome back. Haven't seen you around in awhile.

[Times Roman]

I agree with the premise and intention of this post. However people can post whatever they like as long as they follow the rules. The senior members and staff are free to do so as well. There are no 2 sets of rules - we all follow the same ones and as long as rules are followed no one should be told not to post something if they want too. Its more the responsibility of staff and senior members to make sure proper advice is given and supported than it is to try to dictate what can or cant or should or shouldn't be posted and when.
Rest assured if someone continues to give imprudent foolish dangerous advice they will be dealt with, they always have been, but post what you want when you want as long as its within the rules.

I agree anyone can pretty much post anything as long as it abides by the rules.

And then there is the realization that once posted and in the public domain, there will be a tendency for those that want advice to fit their intentions, they may heed the advice, even if harmful.

All I'm suggesting is a modecum of responsiblity when advising others, and please make that advice based on personal experience.

That's all im suggesting.

[RA]

I agree anyone can pretty much post anything as long as it abides by the rules.

And then there is the realization that once posted and in the public domain, there will be a tendency for those that want advice to fit their intentions, they may heed the advice, even if harmful.

All I'm suggesting is a modecum of responsiblity when advising others, and please make that advice based on personal experience.

That's all im suggesting.

^^^^
Right. Best not to parrot. You might be spewing the wrong information.

[Armykid93]

Pretty simple, honor system. Don't give advice when you have no idea what your talking about. I've got almost 3k posts and I still don't feel comfortable giving people advice on gear, so I usually don't. Not that post count matters btw

[Times Roman]

Pretty simple, honor system. Don't give advice when you have no idea what your talking about. I've got almost 3k posts and I still don't feel comfortable giving people advice on gear, so I usually don't. Not that post count matters btw

it's best to stick to what you know.

I've been a life extender for years, and kinda started off in that area, that and the over 40 forum. plus I've dabbled in a lot of other areas. it all comes with time. and it won't come all at once.

we all add a little something, and in the aggregate, we have a pretty impressive body of knowledge going on here....

[boz]

Well said. One of the main reasons i choose not to resist the urge to chime in on most threads in the Q&A section. Leave it to the pros

[Papa-pwn]

Is this not undermining the OP to said hypothetical threads?

If I don't require additional information to advise another, I'm not going to ask for it or wait until he gives it to someone else.

This is a message board, with rules granted, but nowhere in the rules does it say bow to those who have been here longer and let them have their way in every thread.

If I have knowledge on the question at hand, or experience, or have anything else to say that may be beneficial to the questioner, then I am going to share. Provided they are above 18. Which, per the rules, they must be to even have an account here.

[MickeyKnox]

Pretty sure Jimmy covered that. ^^

Thanks for your comments though.

[Armykid93]

it's best to stick to what you know.

I've been a life extender for years, and kinda started off in that area, that and the over 40 forum. plus I've dabbled in a lot of other areas. it all comes with time. and it won't come all at once.

we all add a little something, and in the aggregate, we have a pretty impressive body of knowledge going on here....

So true

[Rusty11]

Mickey...man, do I wish you'd write the same thread in the trt section. There is one particular person who responds to every, I mean every fricking thread. He just spews out sh.t off the top of his head. He is obviously a post whore and doesn't know what he's talking about. I can hardly go over there anymore its so annoying. The classic used comment is, "oh, I heard about this happening to a guy. You should do this...." ack! I asked him his protocol...no answer. Sorry. Rant over

[MickeyKnox]

Mickey...man, do I wish you'd write the same thread in the trt section. There is one particular person who responds to every, I mean every fricking thread. He just spews out sh.t off the top of his head. He is obviously a post whore and doesn't know what he's talking about. I can hardly go over there anymore its so annoying. The classic used comment is, "oh, I heard about this happening to a guy. You should do this...." ack! I asked him his protocol...no answer. Sorry. Rant over

I know who you're referring to..lol. But im sure if it was getting to ridiculous GD, Austin, Kel or one of the other HRT Specialists would step forward deal with it. They dont tolerate anything in there, not even for a second.

But yeah i see how that would be frustrating. Just try to be patient with him.

[Rusty11]

Whew...thanks for letting me vent. That's all I needed. Sorry to hijack.

However, for the topic at hand, regarding newbies asking for advice, then being completely rude to the vets giving sound advice (that they don't want to hear), just ban them. They never cime back anyway.

[songdog]

Is this not undermining the OP to said hypothetical threads?

If I don't require additional information to advise another, I'm not going to ask for it or wait until he gives it to someone else.

This is a message board, with rules granted, but nowhere in the rules does it say bow to those who have been here longer and let them have their way in every thread.

If I have knowledge on the question at hand, or experience, or have anything else to say that may be beneficial to the questioner, then I am going to share. Provided they are above 18. Which, per the rules, they must be to even have an account here.

I believe wat Mickey was trying to refer to is.A guy asks about a cycle.Now the way it should be done is ask for his stats.But there are a lot of guys here who just dont care about his stats.They would give cycle info to a dog if it could type.So its not about being a senior member or one with a title.Saftey comes 1st and that is why we check stats.

[XstabberX]

I don't think it too much to ask a poster info like stats on age, BF ext. Without knowing those things how in the hell can they get proper advice. I'm new here but it seems like with gear its important to know as much as possible about the person asking for advice and there aren't too many one size fits all answers. I want the best advice so I give the most info possible when asking a question. I love this board and its way better than other ones I belong to for my other hobbies :-)

[Honkey_Kong]

The thing that gets me is when people asking for advice give rediculous stats. Like the guy who was 6'3 150lbs and eating 8000 calories per day. None the less even after people were giving him good advice on telling him to rethink his diet and recalculate his actual caloric consumption and training. There were people undermining that with "uhhh you should do test only."

[Beyazit]

Hey Mickey;

To me it seems like the most important of all are the stats when it comes to answering peoples' questions and fir that reason there should be a sticky for people clearly see and obey when they are posting for the first time about any help and as you know better than me, most of the visitors here are asking about their first cycle and been a member for aprox 1min and don't care about no stats or anyone so what would be a good way to put some manners into those newbies post...

[MuscleInk]

Who is this Mickey character!?!?! He's one smart dude!!!

I think the one thing that's frustrated me the most lately (other than the lazy bastards who think running gear for 2 months will make them "beach ready") are (1) new guys with very few posts giving advice when they clearly lack experience and knowledge on these subject matters and (2) members who have had accounts since 2010 or longer, but have very few posts, suddenly showing up like their word should be viewed as the Gospel according to steroids.

I'm not trying to suggest that post count alone should be indicative of knowledge level. Clearly not everyone has the time to sit on the board and mentor people and even those that do have high post counts shouldn't be automatically viewed as an expert (many of us, myself included, have posted many times on topics that had nothing to do with steroids and our counts don't genuinely reflect informative posts). Over the past few weeks I have seen a few members that have had accounts for several years, showing up (almost out of the wood work) and hijacking a thread as if their knowledge alone should be the authoritative voice or, they viciously attack other respected members who actually DO spend time in this forum mentoring and offering practical and safe advice.

Sure, I encourage an open dialogue where opposing views are presented. We can all learn from one another and one person's opinion may not be shared by all - that's completely acceptable. What I find discouraging however, is when someone disagrees with another's methodology or recommendations, rather than objectively offering a well defended opposing view, they turn it into a personal vendetta. It's completely unnecessary and is a black eye on this forum when new members see this kind of behavior.

No, I'm not advocating that we all play nice and hug one another. I too am guilty of flying off the handle at times - I am hot headed and temperamental. There are times however, where people lose focus of the original question and rather than presenting opposing views with tact, it turns into a pissing contest. I'm quite alright with someone disagreeing with me. I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the answers and lack knowledge in many areas. I do take exception however, to someone personally attacking a respected contributor to this forum and I will vehemently defend that persons character simply because that kind of immature, ignorant behavior is unacceptable.

MuscleInk

[fit2bOld]

Great conversation Mickey and good we talk about this. MI totally nails it with new guys giving advice when clearly they have little knowledge or experience.
Respect and maturity go a long way

[MickeyKnox]

Who is this Mickey character!?!?! He's one smart dude!!!

I think the one thing that's frustrated me the most lately (other than the lazy bastards who think running gear for 2 months will make them "beach ready") are (1) new guys with very few posts giving advice when they clearly lack experience and knowledge on these subject matters and (2) members who have had accounts since 2010 or longer, but have very few posts, suddenly showing up like their word should be viewed as the Gospel according to steroids.

I'm not trying to suggest that post count alone should be indicative of knowledge level. Clearly not everyone has the time to sit on the board and mentor people and even those that do have high post counts shouldn't be automatically viewed as an expert (many of us, myself included, have posted many times on topics that had nothing to do with steroids and our counts don't genuinely reflect informative posts). Over the past few weeks I have seen a few members that have had accounts for several years, showing up (almost out of the wood work) and hijacking a thread as if their knowledge alone should be the authoritative voice or, they viciously attack other respected members who actually DO spend time in this forum mentoring and offering practical and safe advice.

Sure, I encourage an open dialogue where opposing views are presented. We can all learn from one another and one person's opinion may not be shared by all - that's completely acceptable. What I find discouraging however, is when someone disagrees with another's methodology or recommendations, rather than objectively offering a well defended opposing view, they turn it into a personal vendetta. It's completely unnecessary and is a black eye on this forum when new members see this kind of behavior.

No, I'm not advocating that we all play nice and hug one another. I too am guilty of flying off the handle at times - I am hot headed and temperamental. There are times however, where people lose focus of the original question and rather than presenting opposing views with tact, it turns into a pissing contest. I'm quite alright with someone disagreeing with me. I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the answers and lack knowledge in many areas. I do take exception however, to someone personally attacking a respected contributor to this forum and I will vehemently defend that persons character simply because that kind of immature, ignorant behavior is unacceptable.

MuscleInk

Great conversation Mickey and good we talk about this. MI totally nails it with new guys giving advice when clearly they have little knowledge or experience.
Respect and maturity go a long way

Agreed. Excellent write up MI.

[stpete]

Mickey...man, do I wish you'd write the same thread in the trt section. There is one particular person who responds to every, I mean every fricking thread. He just spews out sh.t off the top of his head. He is obviously a post whore and doesn't know what he's talking about. I can hardly go over there anymore its so annoying. The classic used comment is, "oh, I heard about this happening to a guy. You should do this...." ack! I asked him his protocol...no answer. Sorry. Rant over

I'm sure that GDevine, kelkel, Sgt, Vette and marcus are all over it. And for future reference, those are the men you want to let know. They will take care of situation. Furthermore, i'm sure they are on top of it but it's hard to ban a person because they heard "this or that." It's their opinion and we can only be there to try to put the person in the right direction. And we will, just takes time. Understand that we are all over the place keeping an eye on a lot of things. A simple PM to someone would be your best choice. Don't take action yourself as it may cause unwanted conflict.

Great thread Mickey! And i've always given personal advice. And if i have nothing to offer on said subject, but feel it's important i put my .02 in i'll pull a thread from a more experienced person on the subject. And i always make it clear that i don't have personal experience, this is just some of what i've heard from this board. Links provided. Then OP can make a more informed decision.

And yes, like MK said, stats are critical. And i agree, once stats are asked for, waiting for OP to respond is in their best interest.

[crazy mike]

I'll play it safe on this one and keep my 2 cents to myself. When step on the toes of others they retaliate. Just a thought for myself. ....crazy mike

[Rusty11]

I'm sure that GDevine, kelkel, Sgt, Vette and marcus are all over it. And for future reference, those are the men you want to let know. They will take care of situation. Furthermore, i'm sure they are on top of it but it's hard to ban a person because they heard "this or that." It's their opinion and we can only be there to try to put the person in the right direction. And we will, just takes time. Understand that we are all over the place keeping an eye on a lot of things. A simple PM to someone would be your best choice. Don't take action yourself as it may cause unwanted conflict
.

stpete...no interest in taking matters into my own hands. My post was just a simple rant from a guy who gets annoyed by certain types of ppl.
I realize that the things that annoy me, don't annoy others. You'll never read an argumentative post by me. And, if it was something really detrimental, I would send a pm. And fyi, the issue has been resolved.

[stpete]

Cool.

[MickeyKnox]

Bump..

[MickeyKnox]

Friendly reminder and bump..

[MickeyKnox]

Bump..

[Granovich]

great post mickey
im sorry if i ever did that before.... im not sure if i ever did " undermining the senior member's attempt at acquiring important additional information that will be used to make intelligent responsible suggestions and advice" but if i did i apologize
its the seniors here who we learn from and know how to deal with AAS without hurting our selves.. so thank you Seniors

[MickeyKnox]

We're all guilty of doing it at one time or another.