First cycle and need some nutrition advice

[Dakota Farmer]

Ok this is my first post. Ok a little history, im 6.0 I was at 285, started dieting and lifting weights. got down to 247. My bench press went from 155 2 times the first time I lifted to 185 6 times. I did this on no suplements at all.

I started a cycle. I don't really know if it was the smart thing to do but I did. 2 weeks in my bench press is at 205 6 times last time I lifted which I think is a huge gain. My weight is swinging 245 to 250. My thing is I don't want to gain more weight, I just want to gain musile and loose body fat. I don't feel hungery and I have lots of energy.

My question is how much should I eat? I probably eat about 1500 calories max.

My end weight goal is 220

[ChiveOn]

You need to hit the nutrition section and look at the stickeys. Calculate your TDEE. If you don't want to gain more weight you should jut add more cardio and eat at maintainence, not under or over. Diet is the key to losing weight not steroids....

What's your body fat?
Cycle layout?
AI?
HCG?
Pct?

[Dakota Farmer]

I do atleast 4 hours of cardio a week. Then about 3 hours of lifting weights. I didn't take steroids to loose weight. I just want to replace the weight gained with fat burned. I don't know what my body fat. or what AI even means. so I have some research to do.

[reiss c]

I'd stop cycle if your in 1 and research mate on what your doing .. Most people will say your nutrition Is 1 st on the list befor jumping in to a cycle

Do u have your pct ??

[MickeyKnox]

Ok this is my first post. Ok a little history, im 6.0 I was at 285, started dieting and lifting weights. got down to 247. My bench press went from 155 2 times the first time I lifted to 185 6 times. I did this on no suplements at all.

I started a cycle. I don't really know if it was the smart thing to do but I did. 2 weeks in my bench press is at 205 6 times last time I lifted which I think is a huge gain. My weight is swinging 245 to 250. My thing is I don't want to gain more weight, I just want to gain musile and loose body fat. I don't feel hungery and I have lots of energy.

My question is how much should I eat? I probably eat about 1500 calories max.

My end weight goal is 220

Regardless of what your cycle is, stop immediately! You clearly lack the necessary knowledge to be doing AAS properly and safely. Lay out your cycle exactly and we will help you exit your cycle safely!

Then we can guide you to properly educate yourself before you begin another cycle that could potentially cause harm This is very important, and please follow this advice.

[Bio-Active]

The guys in the nutrition forum can get the diet question dialed in for you bro.

[Dakota Farmer]

If I figured my body fat correctly it should be 21.5%

Sustainbolic 10ml ,Decabolic 10ml Started at .5 to 1.0 to 1.5 for 4 weeks then 1.25 .75 .50 done

I do a have pct I don't have the box, co Apma 0.02mg?? I know others that have used these exact pct.

[Bio-Active]

What is the question here?

If I figured my body fat correctly it should be 21.5%

Sustainbolic 10ml ,Decabolic 10ml Started at .5 to 1.0 to 1.5 for 4 weeks then 1.25 .75 .50 done

I do a have pct I don't have the box, co Apma 0.02mg?? I know others that have used these exact pct.

[Dakota Farmer]

What is the question here?

I was stating what my planned cycle was as MickeyKnox requested

[MickeyKnox]

Where are you in this cycle, and how many injections of each have you administered so far? Then we'll get your PCT straightened out.

[Dakota Farmer]

Where are you in this cycle, and how many injections of each have you administered so far? Then we'll get your PCT straightened out.

Just started week 3

[MickeyKnox]

How many injections have you done total? And do you have proper SERM's for PCT? Not some obscure OTC garbage.

[Dakota Farmer]

Regardless of what your cycle is, stop immediately! You clearly lack the necessary knowledge to be doing AAS properly and safely. Lay out your cycle exactly and we will help you exit your cycle safely!

Then we can guide you to properly educate yourself before you begin another cycle that could potentially cause harm This is very important, and please follow this advice.

You say I should stop, but to be honest I am not sure why. I believe my AAS rates are acceptable. I am eating healthy. I have been working on getting in better shape for a year now. I use to be a guy that would eat 1 time a day and drank pop by the case. Now I drink water, eat 5 to 6 times a day. Chicken breast, steak,apples, protien bars for example. My metabolism must be so low, because when I increase my calorie intake I do gain weight (fat) easily

I do feel great right now, and I know I am getting a lot stronger and I am hitting the GYM hard. I think I am on track for the most part.

I do take your information very seriously, I do want to know what I am doing wrong or could do better!!

[MickeyKnox]

Are you kidding me?

First of all, your BF is over 21%. Secondly, you're titrating your cycle compounds which makes no sense. Thirdly, you don't have a solid recovery plan in place (PCT). Fourthly, you don't have on hand the necessary PCT items required to effectively restart your HPTA post cycle. Fifthly, you have no idea on how to diet properly. Sixthly, unless you're a sloth, 1500 cals is nowhere near where you ought to be to effectively build muscle and reduce fat with your stats, especially on a cycle.

And finally, the fact that you have "no idea why" suggests to me that you have not given this enormous amount of helpful information contained on this site and in this thread, more than a cursory glance.

But you go ahead and do what you want. I'll be right here when youre done wasting your time, money, and cycle, to tell you, i told you so.

Good luck.

[stpete]

Cycle's a complete mess. Your too inexperienced to be using anything other than food and entertaining the thought of putting seirious time in the gym and our Nutrition Section we have here. Those guys and gals give out expert advice for free. Can't beat that.

Save yourself a lot of heart ache w/ your unreasonable goals and just stop cycle.


Then hit the Nutrition Section and the Workout Technique Section.


Good Luck

[tigerspawn]

I’m a noob when it comes to gear. Like you I have read every bit of information about the subject that I can get my hands on. I have a BSN degree and have worked as an RN for 8 yrs. I am currently working on my MSN. I have had an ISSA certification for the last 6yr. I have worked part time as a Personal Trainer for the last 6 yrs. I thought I was ready to gear up. Man was I mistaken. Thank God I came to this site and asked questions. The people here know their stuff. They are not trying to be asses they are trying to help you. They have years of experience and I am thankful that they are willing to share. What’s easier doing something wrong and messing yourself up or listening, understanding and applying what you learn in order to succeed? Sometimes the hardest thing that we must admit to ourselves is that we need help.

[MickeyKnox]

I’m a noob when it comes to gear. Like you I have read every bit of information about the subject that I can get my hands on. I have a BSN degree and have worked as an RN for 8 yrs. I am currently working on my MSN. I have had an ISSA certification for the last 6yr. I have worked part time as a Personal Trainer for the last 6 yrs. I thought I was ready to gear up. Man was I mistaken. Thank God I came to this site and asked questions. The people here know their stuff. They are not trying to be asses they are trying to help you. They have years of experience and I am thankful that they are willing to share. What’s easier doing something wrong and messing yourself up or listening, understanding and applying what you learn in order to succeed? Sometimes the hardest thing that we must admit to ourselves is that we need help.

Solid credentials Tiger. Good luck with your Masters.

[stpete]

I’m a noob when it comes to gear. Like you I have read every bit of information about the subject that I can get my hands on. I have a BSN degree and have worked as an RN for 8 yrs. I am currently working on my MSN. I have had an ISSA certification for the last 6yr. I have worked part time as a Personal Trainer for the last 6 yrs. I thought I was ready to gear up. Man was I mistaken. Thank God I came to this site and asked questions. The people here know their stuff. They are not trying to be asses they are trying to help you. They have years of experience and I am thankful that they are willing to share. What’s easier doing something wrong and messing yourself up or listening, understanding and applying what you learn in order to succeed? Sometimes the hardest thing that we must admit to ourselves is that we need help.

Your last sentence speaks volumes!! Good for you.

[Dakota Farmer]

How many injections have you done total? And do you have proper SERM's for PCT? Not some obscure OTC garbage.

3 shots of each at the rate I stated above. The PCT Is not oct. everything I am using is the same stuff that others that I personaly have used, with very good results.

Are you kidding me?

First of all, your BF is over 21%. Secondly, you're titrating your cycle compounds which makes no sense. Thirdly, you don't have a solid recovery plan in place (PCT). Fourthly, you don't have on hand the necessary PCT items required to effectively restart your HPTA post cycle. Fifthly, you have no idea on how to diet properly. Sixthly, unless you're a sloth, 1500 cals is nowhere near where you ought to be to effectively build muscle and reduce fat with your stats, especially on a cycle.

And finally, the fact that you have "no idea why" suggests to me that you have not given this enormous amount of helpful information contained on this site and in this thread, more than a cursory glance.

But you go ahead and do what you want. I'll be right here when youre done wasting your time, money, and cycle, to tell you, i told you so.

Good luck.

First of all this was the first time I ever tried to figure out my body fat. After looking at pictures I now know 21% is wrong.
Why not tell me what is wrong with my cycle compounds that don't make sense? Why not tell me what exactly you recoment for a pct? Why not tell me exactly what I should eat?
Look I realize I am in over my head right now! the last shot was yesterday morning so I have to work threw this the best that I can. If I knew a lot about nutrition I would be in the shape that I am in. I am trying to better myself. I know guys that eat 4 times as much as I do and cant gain a pound. And to top that off they sit around drinking beer and don't work out, I mean really how the hell does that work?

If you don't want to help I understand.

[REBORN52]

First of all this was the first time I ever tried to figure out my body fat. After looking at pictures I now know 21% is wrong.
Why not tell me what is wrong with my cycle compounds that don't make sense? Why not tell me what exactly you recoment for a pct? Why not tell me exactly what I should eat?
Look I realize I am in over my head right now! the last shot was yesterday morning so I have to work threw this the best that I can. If I knew a lot about nutrition I would be in the shape that I am in. I am trying to better myself. I know guys that eat 4 times as much as I do and cant gain a pound. And to top that off they sit around drinking beer and don't work out, I mean really how the hell does that work?

If you don't want to help I understand.[/QUOTE]


Brother, they are trying to help, you're just not listening. Just because someone's not saying what you want to hear, doesn't mean they're not trying to help. Listen to the vets in this thread. You're worried about putting on muscle, but they're generally worried about you overall health and well-being. Yes, they sometimes come off a little "frank", to-the-point, or harsh, but I would rather someone give it to me straight than pat me on my ass, and tell me everything's going to be ok, when in reality it's not.....

Just my two cents..

[Honkey_Kong]

3 shots of each at the rate I stated above. The PCT Is not oct. everything I am using is the same stuff that others that I personaly have used, with very good results.



First of all this was the first time I ever tried to figure out my body fat. After looking at pictures I now know 21% is wrong.
Why not tell me what is wrong with my cycle compounds that don't make sense? Why not tell me what exactly you recoment for a pct? Why not tell me exactly what I should eat?
Look I realize I am in over my head right now! the last shot was yesterday morning so I have to work threw this the best that I can. If I knew a lot about nutrition I would be in the shape that I am in. I am trying to better myself. I know guys that eat 4 times as much as I do and cant gain a pound. And to top that off they sit around drinking beer and don't work out, I mean really how the hell does that work?

If you don't want to help I understand.

Okay, you're 6 feet tall and you can't even bench 200lbs natural and you think you're ready for a cycle? As far as your diet goes, you should post us your entire diet including meal times and portions. And include shakes and beverages as well.

Also, if you're not even able to bench 2 plates, WTF does "hitting the gym hard" even mean?

Your cycle is complete garbage too and you're not even prepared for it. The only smart thing you can do is STOP RIGHT NOW.

[MickeyKnox]

3 shots of each at the rate I stated above. The PCT Is not oct. everything I am using is the same stuff that others that I personaly have used, with very good results.



First of all this was the first time I ever tried to figure out my body fat. After looking at pictures I now know 21% is wrong.
Why not tell me what is wrong with my cycle compounds that don't make sense? Why not tell me what exactly you recoment for a pct? Why not tell me exactly what I should eat?
Look I realize I am in over my head right now! the last shot was yesterday morning so I have to work threw this the best that I can. If I knew a lot about nutrition I would be in the shape that I am in. I am trying to better myself. I know guys that eat 4 times as much as I do and cant gain a pound. And to top that off they sit around drinking beer and don't work out, I mean really how the hell does that work?

If you don't want to help I understand.

What part of Stop Your Cycle are you having trouble with? If you cant follow simple advice like that, there's now way you'll listen to other solid advice. You've been given the best advice here based on your information and stats. If you choose to ignore it or do it your way, then so be it. Im not coddling you. But we are trying to point you in the right direction.

And no one here is simply going to hand you a diet and spoon feed you. Youre an adult - act like one and take responsibility for your own health.

[Capebuffalo]

This statement you made should be enough for you to realize you need to stop and educate yourself." I know guys that eat 4 times as much as I do and cant gain a pound. And to top that off they sit around drinking beer and don't work out, I mean really how the hell does that work?

If you don't want to help I understand."

I find it hard to believe your are 34 yrs old and can't see the forest for the trees.

[Dakota Farmer]

Okay, you're 6 feet tall and you can't even bench 200lbs natural and you think you're ready for a cycle? As far as your diet goes, you should post us your entire diet including meal times and portions. And include shakes and beverages as well.

Also, if you're not even able to bench 2 plates, WTF does "hitting the gym hard" even mean?

Your cycle is complete garbage too and you're not even prepared for it. The only smart thing you can do is STOP RIGHT NOW.

What can I say I was in decent shape in my 20's but Cancer can really mess you up. Gaining so much weight was my own fault. It is a 120 mile drive to the Gym that I go to 3 to 4 times a week. I don't just sit around in the Gym either my shirt is soaked, and I am absolutly shot before I leave

This was just going to be a 1 time thing for me. You all say I should stop so consider it done. Now I have no idea where to go from here

[Capebuffalo]

What can I say I was in decent shape in my 20's but Cancer can really mess you up. Gaining so much weight was my own fault. It is a 120 mile drive to the Gym that I go to 3 to 4 times a week. I don't just sit around in the Gym either my shirt is soaked, and I am absolutly shot before I leave

This was just going to be a 1 time thing for me. You all say I should stop so consider it done. Now I have no idea where to go from here

You stop and go to the nutrition section. That's where to go from here.

[reiss c]

Sorry to hear about the cancer situation mate. But now your stopping cycle. Kick around ask few questions read other people's learn loads

[MickeyKnox]

What can I say I was in decent shape in my 20's but Cancer can really mess you up. Gaining so much weight was my own fault. It is a 120 mile drive to the Gym that I go to 3 to 4 times a week. I don't just sit around in the Gym either my shirt is soaked, and I am absolutly shot before I leave

This was just going to be a 1 time thing for me. You all say I should stop so consider it done. Now I have no idea where to go from here

The combination of Sust and Deca will shut you down with only a couple of injections. So i recommend at least a light PCT to reboot your HPTA.

Clomid 75-100/50/25
Nolva 40/20/20

In the meantime, i would take Capes advice and focus on a new diet - one that will reflect your intended goals.

[tigerspawn]

Since you already had cancer you are predispose to the condition reoccurring. What type of cancer did you have? Depending on the type you were diagnosed with taking anabolics could be detrimental to your health and could cause a reemergence of your cancer. How long did you have it? How was it treated and is it currently in remission? Your health is the thing that we are all concerned about.

I’m not trying to be a dick but I’m going to come across that way. You stated that you looked at your picture and determined by sight what your body fat percentage is. This in itself shows how much you lack knowledge. One can not determine their BF% by sight. The best way to determine body fat percentage is by using a skinfold caliper. It is a device which measures the thickness of a fold of your skin with its underlying layer of fat. By doing this at key locations it can give one an accurate representative of the total amount of fat that is on your body, it is also possible to estimate the total percent of body fat on your body.

What I believe you wanted to happen when you posted this thread was for everyone to agree with the gear you were taking and to support your decision to take gear. When that did not happen you became defensive and took peoples suggestions as attacks. Yes their manner in presenting their advice was rough but family speaks the truth and doesn’t pad the edges. The ones giving advice are acting as our big brothers they know what they are talking about and want you their little brother to succeed without hurting yourself.