could testosterone cause tumors or cancer cells to reproduce faster

**Getbig06** · 04-01-2013, 04:15 PM

I told my old man that the next time he goes to visit his doc, he should ask him about testosterone replacement treatment. My father is 65, in good health, with an slightly enlarged prostate (which is fairly common amongst older men) but no cancer issues with regard to his prostate, thank God.

He went to his doctor today and his doctor told him that he can do trt but that he runs the risk of developing cancer if he has any cancerous cells in his prostate or anywhere else in his body.

I'm curious how accurate this is or if any of the bros had anything to add to this...

**Getbig06** · 04-01-2013, 05:25 PM

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**Capebuffalo** · 04-01-2013, 05:30 PM

Simply yes. There is a propensity for faster growth in these cells

**Getbig06** · 04-01-2013, 05:42 PM

So when we cycle, we run the risk of accelerating a tumor or cancer if its already in our body? Wow. So sick

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by ******06

So when we cycle, we run the risk of accelerating a tumor or cancer if its already in our body? Wow. So sick

Prolonged use/abuse is correlated with a number of health implications (DVTs, stroke, MI, cancer, polycythemia vera, etc).

The prostate in particular has a higher affinity for DHT and anabolics that increase DHT can cause a proliferation of cells in the prostate. If any cells are mutated or undergo mutagenic changes, the proliferation of an incorrect cellular code would cause the growth of these mutated (possibly cancerous) cells.

This is one of many reasons that we strongly advise potential users to understand the full potential of risks in using AAS. Will everyone suffer these maladies? No, but its also impossible to tell who is and who isn't at risk.

MuscleInk

**Getbig06** · 04-01-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Prolonged use/abuse is correlated with a number of health implications (DVTs, stroke, MI, cancer, polycythemia vera, etc).

The prostate in particular has a higher affinity for DHT and anabolics that increase DHT can cause a proliferation of cells in the prostate. If any cells are mutated or undergo mutagenic changes, the proliferation of an incorrect cellular code would cause the growth of these mutated (possibly cancerous) cells.

This is one of many reasons that we strongly advise potential users to understand the full potential of risks in using AAS. Will everyone suffer these maladies? No, but its also impossible to tell who is and who isn't at risk.

MuscleInk

Man muscle, I'm glad ur on this forum!
Ur a doc I heard... right?

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by ******06

Man muscle, I'm glad ur on this forum!
Ur a doc I heard... right?

Yes sir, or so my nurses tell me.

MuscleInk

**SuperVision** · 04-01-2013, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Prolonged use/abuse is correlated with a number of health implications (DVTs, stroke, MI, cancer, polycythemia vera, etc).

The prostate in particular has a higher affinity for DHT and anabolics that increase DHT can cause a proliferation of cells in the prostate. If any cells are mutated or undergo mutagenic changes, the proliferation of an incorrect cellular code would cause the growth of these mutated (possibly cancerous) cells.

This is one of many reasons that we strongly advise potential users to understand the full potential of risks in using AAS. Will everyone suffer these maladies? No, but its also impossible to tell who is and who isn't at risk.

MuscleInk

Hey Muscle,

What do you mean by prolonged use specifically? Some people do trt for years, or do you mean 'blasting' for years?

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by SuperVision

Hey Muscle,

What do you mean by prolonged use specifically? Some people do trt for years, or do you mean 'blasting' for years?

Yes, and thanks for asking. TRT doses are generally (or at least should be) considerably lower than doses run on cycle. The majority of TRT clients are life timers because the endogenous testosterone will not recover to normal appropriate levels with exogenous intervention.

The prolonged use (abuse) I intended to reference was prolonged cycles or cycles run consecutively with appropriate time to recover (PCT+off cycle time) or return to a TRT dose.

Keep in mind, even on TRT appropriate safeguards (blood work, physicals, dose adjustments as necessary, etc.) need to be observed to maintain the health of the patient.

MuscleInk

**FONZY007** · 04-01-2013, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Yes, and thanks for asking. TRT doses are generally (or at least should be) considerably lower than doses run on cycle. The majority of TRT clients are life timers because the endogenous testosterone will not recover to normal appropriate levels with exogenous intervention.

The prolonged use (abuse) I intended to reference was prolonged cycles or cycles run consecutively with appropriate time to recover (PCT+off cycle time) or return to a TRT dose.

Keep in mind, even on TRT appropriate safeguards (blood work, physicals, dose adjustments as necessary, etc.) need to be observed to maintain the health of the patient.

MuscleInk

There was a study done with men with elevated PSA some over 4.00 and running a trt dose there PSA levels dropped.. Before it was using test therapy caused prostate cancer, it is now perceived that it helps prevent it.

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

There was a study done with men with elevated PSA some over 4.00 and running a trt dose there PSA levels dropped.. Before it was using test therapy caused prostate cancer, it is now perceived that it helps prevent it.

PSA is a tricky thing. I've had patients in clinic with PSAs over 100 (last year we say a gentlemen with a PSA OF 489!!!!) and were negative for prostate cancer. I've had other patients with PSAs below 2.0 and tested positive for prostate cancer.

One possibility of lowered PSA in TRT could also be due to a reduction of estrogen or aromatase activity if the E2 levels are appropriately managed. More and more it appears that prostate cancer and estrogen are more closely linked than PSA and testosterone - but results are far from conclusive yet. If we knew the exact triggers of prostate cancer, we'd be closer to eradicating the disease.

MuscleInk

**FONZY007** · 04-01-2013, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

PSA is a tricky thing. I've had patients in clinic with PSAs over 100 (last year we say a gentlemen with a PSA OF 489!!!!) and were negative for prostate cancer. I've had other patients with PSAs below 2.0 and tested positive for prostate cancer.

One possibility of lowered PSA in TRT could also be due to a reduction of estrogen or aromatase activity if the E2 levels are appropriately managed. More and more it appears that prostate cancer and estrogen are more closely linked than PSA and testosterone - but results are far from conclusive yet. If we knew the exact triggers of prostate cancer, we'd be closer to eradicating the disease.

MuscleInk

Oh man 489 damn

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

Oh man 489 damn

We checked it 3 times. I couldn't believe it. I thought for sure it was a lab error.

The gentleman who had a PSA of 1.84 had a radical prostectomy that probably saved his life. He was a former body builder.

MuscleInk

**REBORN52** · 04-01-2013, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Yes sir, or so my nurses tell me.

MuscleInk

Pics of the nurses or it didn't happen....

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by REBORN52

Pics of the nurses or it didn't happen....

There ya go...

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Sorry. No new patients being accepted. Lol

MuscleInk

**kelkel** · 04-01-2013, 08:41 PM

Here's a couple studies that relate to the conversation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912506

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3016428/

**REBORN52** · 04-01-2013, 08:43 PM

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa! I would imagine it 's standing room only every day. Probably same dudes coming in with phantom illnesses.

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by REBORN52

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa! I would imagine it 's standing room only every day. Probably same dudes coming in with phantom illnesses.

More requests for prostate exams lately. I'm sure its just a coincidence.

MuscleInk

**MuscleInk** · 04-01-2013, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Here's a couple studies that relate the the conversation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912506

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3016428/

Thank you Kel!

MuscleInk

**Flexnyc** · 04-01-2013, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by REBORN52

Pics of the nurses or it didn't happen....

Test to see if my thing is working sorry

**Getbig06** · 04-01-2013, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Here's a couple studies that relate the the conversation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19912506

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3016428/

Ty for posting this bro.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-02-2013, 04:29 PM

Wow, excellent thread.

Ive always understood that if you didn't have cancer in the first place, AAS would not magically manifest cancer cells. But AAS would/could in fact speed up any existing cancer.