Is it safe to assume one would make better gains on short esters than long esters?

[lifeofdefiance]

Since your blood levels will max much earlier, wouldn't you see better gains on a 10 week cycle of let's say tren ace rather than tren e? I know in the past I used test e and it took me weeks to start seeing results, but just a bit over a week ago I started on tren ace and I'm already seeing results in both my physique and strength levels. So what do you guys think? Are short esters better for gains since your making them for a longer portion of the cycle or does it not matter and will things even out by the end?

[fit2bOld]

To many variables to answer this. Depends on diet, exercise and genetic

[Capebuffalo]

Diet diet diet.
Shirt ester just allow you to start pct faster for a quicker recovery.
Either ester you will get out what you put in.

[lifeofdefiance]

Ya I understand that, I was just assuming that given equal diets and training, one could receive better gains on a short ester potentially since it kicks in faster = more weeks with higher blood levels. But I didn't know if that would be a noticeable difference or negligible.

[warmouth]

I dont think it would be better gains, just quicker results, quicker to PCT. After about 6-8 weeks of a short ester, the risk to reward becomes high and the results start to halt (for me anyways). With long esters it is typically ran 12 weeks of so.

[lifeofdefiance]

I dont think it would be better gains, just quicker results, quicker to PCT. After about 6-8 weeks of a short ester, the risk to reward becomes high and the results start to halt (for me anyways). With long esters it is typically ran 12 weeks of so.

ok thanks, I was kind of thinking this might be the case, wasn't sure though.

[Lunk1]

The onset of said gains will come quicker but I find it easier to maintain the slower earned gains of a long estered cycle

[clarky.]

I'm just in to ma 4th wk of a prop /npp cycle and i am bigger the now than i was at the end of my last cycle wich was tren e /cyp 12wks. And i'm really enjoying this one a think it was just the tren the last time not much sleep so not much nrg for the gym and my diet is a lot better i'm eating a lot more thats probs why i'm bigger lol.

[MickeyKnox]

Diet diet diet.
Shirt ester just allow you to start pct faster for a quicker recovery.
Either ester you will get out what you put in.

The onset of said gains will come quicker but I find it easier to maintain the slower earned gains of a long estered cycle

This ^^

[MuscleInk]

This ^^

Where can I get some SHIRT esters that Cape is taking???? Sounds awesome!!!!!

MuscleInk

[sixfootseven]

What if you ran prop along w the enth or cyp for the first 4 weeks then dropped the prop?

Sorry if dumb question, havent really seen much on this...

[MickeyKnox]

What if you ran prop along w the enth or cyp for the first 4 weeks then dropped the prop?

Sorry if dumb question, havent really seen much on this...

Nothing wrong with that at all - in fact, it's common to kick off a long ester with a short.

And even better option would be to run it like you suggest, but drop the long ester last two wks and replace it with Prop so that you're into your PCT in 3 days as opposed to 14.

[sixfootseven]

Nothing wrong with that at all - in fact, it's common to kick off a long ester with a short.

And even better option would be to run it like you suggest, but drop the long ester last two wks and replace it with Prop so that you're into your PCT in 3 days as opposed to 14.

That sounds nice, maybe next time I will give that a go.

[Yosh73]

Nothing wrong with that at all - in fact, it's common to kick off a long ester with a short.

And even better option would be to run it like you suggest, but drop the long ester last two wks and replace it with Prop so that you're into your PCT in 3 days as opposed to 14.

Would this suggest that long esters should be run for 12 weeks only? Is 8-10 weeks too short?