I could use your advice.

**Big Chief 12th** · 04-02-2013, 02:00 PM

Hi all. I'm a beginner and I need your guidance. I have just completed. 16 wk cycle of sustanon 250 with 4 wks of dianabol at the beginning for a kick start. This was my first cycle. I can't wait to do the next one! My question is do I need to come off completely or can I just lower my intake for a couple months.? I was doing 250ml twice a week until the last month then I did 375ml twice a wk. My last pin was on march 27. I have clomid and hcg ready to go if I can't stay on. I am 39 yrs old. I'd that makes a difference. Any and all info is appreciated. I will have many more questions as time goes on. Thank you for your time.

**Scottyb13** · 04-02-2013, 02:06 PM

Hate to be mean buddy but test only should have been your first cycle cause test is base for all cycles... That much sus was probably way too much at end for first timer.. HcG should have been ran along with an AI during your cycle..

Anyways what's your stats?
Weight
Height
Bf%
Age
Training history
Diet

**Big Chief 12th** · 04-02-2013, 02:16 PM

My weight is 225
My ht is 6'2"
I've been training on and off for years but have consistently been back at the gym for a year.
My bf is prob around 12-15%
I'm 39 yrs old

I thought hcg was used after the cycle to bring natural testosterone production back on line. I also took the advice for beginners cycles on the steroids .com site. And was under the impression that sustanon 250 is a blend of testosterones only.

**Big Chief 12th** · 04-02-2013, 02:18 PM

I also took arimidex eod at 0.5ml for the duration of the cycle

**Scottyb13** · 04-02-2013, 02:21 PM

During cycle you run an estrogen blocker (AI) and a compound to keep your testes working properly (HcG )... After cycle you run clomid and nolva for estrogen and to help bring natural test back quicker.. Yes sus is a blend but can't pin point exact amounts on each.. So just a solid Single compound test is recommended

**warmouth** · 04-02-2013, 02:22 PM

PCT and take your time. Dont overdo it and practice patience with this. There is no reason to jump back on too quick. I know it is hard, but self control is what it is all about. Everything needs to normalize and you need to rest from the androgen overload. Time on+PCT = time off it minimal.

**Big Chief 12th** · 04-02-2013, 02:28 PM

Ok thank you. Still my question now about hcg . Why would it be used during the cycle ? I have been told many times that its part of you pct. am I wrong? Please explain.

**warmouth** · 04-02-2013, 02:34 PM

HCG is used on cycle, not PCT. PCT is a time of trying to normalize yourself and get everything back to working on its own. HCG would not be allowing your body to work alone. SERMS are needed to jump start, but HCG is used on cycle to keep function.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-02-2013, 04:34 PM

BigChief, take a peek at this link. Tons of info on hCG .

hCG and Pregnenolone; What you should know.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJWP6mfX_fs

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

**Big Chief 12th** · 04-02-2013, 05:16 PM

So what would be your advice from here? Go back on proportionate and start taking hcg for one more month ? Cuz I would really like to be back on for mid to end July . How far into a cycle does one normally start hcg? And for how long do you run it? And should I take clomid and nolvadex during pct?

**MickeyKnox** · 04-02-2013, 05:20 PM

Just remember time on + PCT = time off.

hCG begins with your cycle on short esters. You can wait until wk 2 on long esters.

And yes, include Clomid and Nolva in PCT.

**ChiveOn** · 04-02-2013, 05:52 PM

As stated above your 16 week cycle + 4 week pct (at least) will mean you have to wait another 20 weeks upon completing pct to "safely" cycle again.
Additionally, you should run HCG during your entire cycle in the future. It will keep your balls from shrinking or shitting down completely, therefore increasing recovery speed. It is generally accepted to run HCG at 250iu 2x per week thought the whole cycle

**Lunk1** · 04-02-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

As stated above your 16 week cycle + 4 week pct (at least) will mean you have to wait another 20 weeks upon completing pct to "safely" cycle again.
Additionally, you should run HCG during your entire cycle in the future. It will keep your balls from shrinking or shitting down completely, therefore increasing recovery speed. It is generally accepted to run HCG at 250iu 2x per week thought the whole cycle

I always include the 2 weeks between cycle and PCT as well

22 weeks

**ChiveOn** · 04-02-2013, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I always include the 2 weeks between cycle and PCT as well

22 weeks

Lol. Very well then you got me

**Big Chief 12th** · 04-02-2013, 06:39 PM

Ok. So from this point on.... I have been off since Thursday that was my last pin. So would you recommend starting the hcg and test prop like right away for a month? Or would you shut it down completely and wait another nine days before taking nolvadex and clomid with hopes of no hormonal crash? What's my next step? I'm in limbo..

**MickeyKnox** · 04-02-2013, 06:52 PM

Your too close to recovery phase to use hCG properly, imho. Wait until thew ester clears then begin your PCT.

Clomid 75/50/50/50 <---- if using tabs, 100mg first wk is fine.
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I don't think you're going to reach your goal of mid July for another cycle if you follow the rule of thumb, time on + PCT = time off.