T3 on tren.. whats the consensus?

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 02:13 PM

I really want to lean out this cycle. I just started last week and I'm about 193 and 13% bodyfat right now. I'm hoping to get up to maybe 205 and down to like 10% by the end of it (if possible). Anyways do you guys thinking adding 25-50 mcg /day of t3 could be beneficial? I have 0 experience with it, but I heard its good to use on tren , especially since tren lowers t3.

**warmouth** · 04-02-2013, 02:17 PM

I think T3 is a safer bet than clen because of the issues I personally have with clen(Its a personal dislike for me). I think that is a good starting dose, but I would try and progress up and Ive been told to monitor your body temp.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 02:51 PM

ok, what kind of tapering scheme do you like to use for t3 and how long would you recc staying on it before takign a break. I should have it by the end of the week, but I dunno if it's safe to use consistently for the remainder of my 12.5 week cycle (so 10.5 weeks of use).

**austinite** · 04-02-2013, 03:17 PM

There is no need to taper with t3. What are your full stats?

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by austinite;64***38

There is no need to taper with t3. What are your full stats?

5'10" 193 lbs and like 13% bf.

**ChiveOn** · 04-02-2013, 08:29 PM

Your body will produce 25-30mcg of T3 on its own. I wouldn't go under 50. Ill be taking it during my test/tren /mast cycle and I'm thinking about going 100mcg a day

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

Your body will produce 25-30mcg of T3 on its own. I wouldn't go under 50. Ill be taking it during my test/tren/mast cycle and I'm thinking about going 100mcg a day

true, i don't wanna go overkill with it though. I'll probably try 50 and then maybe move up to 75 and see how that is.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 09:07 PM

Still hoping to get more info on this stuff... honestly it seems there isn't nearly as much info on t3 as I'd expect on the internet. What should my diet be like on it? I've heard you should be eating stupid large amounts of protein. I'll probably try to hit 300+g a day since I'll be on it + tren .

**Metalject** · 04-03-2013, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

Still hoping to get more info on this stuff... honestly it seems there isn't nearly as much info on t3 as I'd expect on the internet. What should my diet be like on it? I've heard you should be eating stupid large amounts of protein. I'll probably try to hit 300+g a day since I'll be on it + tren.

T3 can make some people feel drained as it feeds on ATP. It's also known to put you in a catabolic state, but when using gear this should not be a problem. If you're running a cycle with your T3 you should be able to hold onto your muscle tissue. You may inevitably lose some since you're trying to diet, but this always happens when dieting, although with gear it should be minimal or at least far less than without.

You also mentioned dropping 3% BF on your cycle, that's not a massive amount but it would make a big difference. That said, you'll need to be in a calorie deficit to lose that 3%, obviously and even with a basic stack it's unlikely you're going to gain 12lbs of muscle. I don't think most people understand how much lean tissue say 5lbs really is. All that said, if you're going to significantly grow and 12lbs of actual muscle tissue is significant all the while losing 3% BF at the same time, you'd need to be on a big boy cycle IMO.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

T3 can make some people feel drained as it feeds on ATP. It's also known to put you in a catabolic state, but when using gear this should not be a problem. If you're running a cycle with your T3 you should be able to hold onto your muscle tissue. You may inevitably lose some since you're trying to diet, but this always happens when dieting, although with gear it should be minimal or at least far less than without.

You also mentioned dropping 3% BF on your cycle, that's not a massive amount but it would make a big difference. That said, you'll need to be in a calorie deficit to lose that 3%, obviously and even with a basic stack it's unlikely you're going to gain 12lbs of muscle. I don't think most people understand how much lean tissue say 5lbs really is. All that said, if you're going to significantly grow and 12lbs of actual muscle tissue is significant all the while losing 3% BF at the same time, you'd need to be on a big boy cycle IMO.

Obviously a lot is probably water weight, but I've been on cycle for only 1.5 weeks now and I'm up 12 or 13 lbs looking the same bodyfat wise. So I think my goal is attainable. I'll be bumping tren up to 525 per week at the end of my cycle (12.5 weeks total 10.5 on tren).

**Tron3219** · 04-03-2013, 06:03 PM

What's ur ai dosage? U r running ai right?

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**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

What's ur ai dosage? U r running ai right?

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.25mg adex eod... not seeing the relevance of that to this thread though honestly haha

**auswest** · 04-03-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

.25mg adex eod... not seeing the relevance of that to this thread though honestly haha

The relevance being your weight gain of 12-13lb in 1.5 weeks...water weight.

**Tron3219** · 04-03-2013, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by auswest

The relevance being your weight gain of 12-13lb in 1.5 weeks...water weight.

Exzachary!

What's ur test dosage and ester?

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**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

Exzachary!

What's ur test dosage and ester?

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really low test dose 175 mg ew and its prop. Don't have any symptoms of high estro, I'd think .25 mg eod adex would be plenty for such a low dosage. I gained a bunch of water weight towards the beginning of my last cycle too, I think I'm prone to it. Sodium intake probably hasn't been the best these past few days either (a lot of processed food). I've definitely been putting on some good strength and mass already too though. I dunno, I'll worry if my nipples start getting irritated haha.

**Tron3219** · 04-03-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

really low test dose 175 mg ew and its prop. Don't have any symptoms of high estro, I'd think .25 mg eod adex would be plenty for such a low dosage. I gained a bunch of water weight towards the beginning of my last cycle too, I think I'm prone to it. Sodium intake probably hasn't been the best these past few days either (a lot of processed food). I've definitely been putting on some good strength and mass already too though. I dunno, I'll worry if my nipples start getting irritated haha.

Yeah with that dosage if test, that's plenty of adex. Sodium was the next thing I was gonna ask about. Cuz in a week and a half, I'd b surprised if there was 1 pound out of that 12 that u gained.

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**auswest** · 04-03-2013, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

really low test dose 175 mg ew and its prop. Don't have any symptoms of high estro, I'd think .25 mg eod adex would be plenty for such a low dosage. I gained a bunch of water weight towards the beginning of my last cycle too, I think I'm prone to it. Sodium intake probably hasn't been the best these past few days either (a lot of processed food). I've definitely been putting on some good strength and mass already too though. I dunno, I'll worry if my nipples start getting irritated haha.

So you want to drop bodyfat and use t3 to help with that also, yet so far on cycle your diet has been made up of alot of processed foods, may want to post your diet in the nutrition section buddy.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by auswest

So you want to drop bodyfat and use t3 to help with yet so far on cycle your diet has been made up of alot of processed foods, may want to post your diet in the nutrition section buddy.

Just the past few days. I've had exams and projects due, no time to cook. Nothing real bad, but more sodium than ideal I'm sure. Mainly a lot of KFC and chipotle. I'm back on track now lol just made some delicious shrimp and steak stir fry!

**auswest** · 04-03-2013, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

Just the past few days. I've had exams and projects due, no time to cook. I'm back on track now lol.

What does your diet look like, you're only a week and a bit in and all ready slipping, how was your diet before cycle, are you new to eating correctly?

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by auswest

What does your diet look like, you're only a week and a bit in and all ready slipping, how was your diet before cycle, are you new to eating correctly?

Nah I'm pretty good at it. I don't follow a set diet, just IIFYM style. I'll add up things over the day, but I'm generally hitting around 250g protein, 300-400 carbs, and 80-100 fat or so. And like I said man, I've been swamped the past few days haha, now that I got all that stuff out of the way, other than finals week (which shouldn't be too bad), it's gonna be pretty smooth sailing for the rest of my cycle.

**auswest** · 04-03-2013, 07:06 PM

Don't mean to get away from your original question, but getting your diet right will produce better results than adding more compounds to a cycle if your diet is off.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by auswest

Don't mean to get away from your original question, but getting your diet right will produce better results than adding more compounds to a cycle if your diet is off.

I understand that, don't worry my diet will be on track from here on out. Like I said it really wasn't anything horrible anyways. Chipotle and KFC got some decent macros, just a lot of sodium sometimes lol.

**auswest** · 04-03-2013, 07:10 PM

I could not think of anything worse than KFC....can it honestly get worse than that?

I have noticed you are only 22 years old...? And using tren :/

What previous cycle experience have you had?

Got any current photos you care to share?

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by auswest

I could not think of anything worse than KFC....does it honestly get worse than that?

I have noticed you are only 22 years old...? And using tren :/

What previous cycle experience have you had?

the grilled chicken there is super healthy fast food wise. like 150 cals and 30+ g protein or something. And I'm actually 24, I've covered this in a few other threads. I guess this site doesn't allow you to change ages cause I tried doing it in my profile. But I've ran test only and test + var before this. Don't worry I know what I'm doing lol. I do my research.

EDIT: heres a few pre-cycle photos

**this one is one week in

**auswest** · 04-03-2013, 07:21 PM

Hmm have a read of atomini's tren thread if you have not already, I believe he covers t3 there, if not send him a pm.

My only advice is keep on track with that diet, no more slipping up if you want to meet those goals, exams is not really an excuse it takes all of an hour to prepare multiple meals for days in advance. About the same time it proberly took you to drive to KFC and wait in their q at the drive thru

Good to see some pics, doing well, stay on track on you will see some good results

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by auswest

Hmm have a read of atomini's tren thread if you have not already, I believe he covers t3 there, if not send him a pm.

My only advice is keep on track with that diet, no more slipping up if you want to meet those goals, exams is not really an excuse it takes all of an hour to prepare multiple meals for days in advance. About the same time it proberly took you to drive to KFC and wait in their q at the drive thru

Could to see some pics, doing well, stay on track on you will see some good results

Good point man, will do. Thanks.

**kelkel** · 04-03-2013, 08:22 PM

I'll add, be careful with that amount of adex with the lower T dose. You may want to check your E2 shortly so as not to crash it, IMHO.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-03-2013, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

I'll add, be careful with that amount of adex with the lower T dose. You may want to check your E2 shortly so as not to crash it, IMHO.

Ya, I'm on HCG too which I heard can raise e2 as well, so maybe the combo of the two is enough to justify it? I'm not sure, but I'm obviously holding some water right now, so I wouldn't think my e2 is too low. Probably still a good idea to get it checked mid cycle though.