Test Deca Dbol Cycle

[titan16]

So after alot of reading on the sight I'm thinking this will be my next cycle. I am looking for advice on whether it looks good or what I should change. If you read my first post on this site a couple days ago I am really wanting to keep my gains, as my last cycle I lost almost all of them.

Last Cycle
4 Weeks Anadrol 25 mgs twice a day
6 Weeks Test Prop 100mgs every three days

Proposed Cycle

Weeks 1-3
-Dbol 25mgs/day
-Deca 200mgs/every3days
-Test Cyp 200mgs/every3days -- I'm not sure whether to use test cyp or test e. Also unsure if I should take Deca and Test on the same day.

Weeks 4-10
-Deca 200mgs/every3days
-Test Cyp 200mgs/every3days

Weeks 11-12
-Test Cyp 200mgs/evey3days

Weeks 13 (off)

Weeks 14-15
-Nolvadex 40mgs/day
-Vitamin E 1000iu/day

Weeks 16-17
-Nolvadex 20mgs/day
-Vitamin E 1000iu/day

Weeks 1-12
-Aromasin 10mgs/day

Weeks 1-17
-Milk Thistle 1000mgs/day

Your thoughts and input are appreciated as I want to ensure I am doing this as safe and smart as possible.

[Scottyb13]

Stats please!

Weight
Height
Bf%
Age
Training history
Diet?
Cals/day

[ChiveOn]

^^ I agree with this. Additionally, if you're not running prami/caber vitamin E may not be enough. Id run at least 400mg of B6 along with that. Also Test prop should be pinned EoD at least. Not e3d

[Chx beach 79]

D Bol is garbage in my opinion.

[Capebuffalo]

Were you happy with the results you got from your last cycle? If yes run it again. If its not broke dont hit it with a damn hammer.

[titan16]

Should I pin Test Cyp e3d and should I pin on the same day as deca ? And are you saying 400mg of b6 everyday?

[titan16]

I was happy with the results but didnt keep much of them and i started getting chest pains I believe from the anadrol . Am i correct in understanding that with the pct i have planned i should retain most of my gains?

[titan16]

6'1, 174lbs, approx 14%bf but not sure. 29yrs old. Lift 3x week and crossfit 4x week. I eat clean, meat and veg and try to avoid processed foods. Approx 3000 cals/day. I want to up it but Im not sure how without eating less healthy options. Suggestions on foods to eat?

[Knockout_Power]

You dont have much of a base at that height with those stats

No point to the deca at all.

Test Cyp for 12 weeks 250mg E3.5D and you will see great reuslts... adjust your PCT to start 2 weeks after, not 1. Technically something like 16 days, but splitting hairs at that point

IMHO though, lifting 3 days is not going to be much when trying to gain muscle, not matter how much gear you take

[motoxposse]

So after alot of reading on the sight I'm thinking this will be my next cycle. I am looking for advice on whether it looks good or what I should change. If you read my first post on this site a couple days ago I am really wanting to keep my gains, as my last cycle I lost almost all of them.

Last Cycle
4 Weeks Anadrol 25 mgs twice a day
6 Weeks Test Prop 100mgs every three days

Proposed Cycle

Weeks 1-3
-Dbol 25mgs/day
-Deca 200mgs/every3days
-Test Cyp 200mgs/every3days -- I'm not sure whether to use test cyp or test e. Also unsure if I should take Deca and Test on the same day.

Weeks 4-10
-Deca 200mgs/every3days
-Test Cyp 200mgs/every3days

Weeks 11-12
-Test Cyp 200mgs/evey3days

Weeks 13 (off)

Weeks 14-15
-Nolvadex 40mgs/day
-Vitamin E 1000iu/day

Weeks 16-17
-Nolvadex 20mgs/day
-Vitamin E 1000iu/day

Weeks 1-12
-Aromasin 10mgs/day

Weeks 1-17
-Milk Thistle 1000mgs/day

Your thoughts and input are appreciated as I want to ensure I am doing this as safe and smart as possible.

Testc dbol and deca is a good stack,you should notice some good gains if your macros are right and training. The changes I would make would be week 1-4 25mgs dbol this is ok if you've never run dbol before if you handle it ok run 25mgs 2xd.
Week1-16 test c or e 250 mgs 2xweek test is test bit a long ester seems to work here plus less pinning.
Week 1-15 deca 400mgs 2xw.
Pin 250mgs test with 200mgs deca at the same time in the same pin,2x week.
Ldex .25 mgs eod. Drop the milk thistle waste of money if u want liver support us udca it's the only thing worth a f$&k it works see arr.
pct add clomi with tamoxifen std pct protocol.
After your cycle continue to eat big until your pct is over this should help keep gains don't go into a cal restricted diet when your recovering, also this is a good time to deload after 16 weeks of lifting heavy and to failure.

[titan16]

Yes Im not a big guy by any means, but thats what I am trying to change. Why do you say there is no point to deca ? Dont misunderstand me, I do strict lifting 3x week, but am at the gym doing olympic lifts with other crossfit programming and additional 3-4x week.

[titan16]

I was reading that you dont need clomi if taking novadex? How much clomi and tamoxifen do you recommend for pct and on what schedule? If using the same pin for deca and test how many ml total does that work out to be? It seems like the injection would be large. And if using the same time, do you use a different head on the pin when entering each vile?

[songdog]

You just dont have a good base.This is do to your diet and unless you change it.All the aas in the world wont help.I suggest you get your diet in order.Then in 6 or 8 months cycle or you will be wasting your money.

[motoxposse]

I was reading that you dont need clomi if taking novadex? How much clomi and tamoxifen do you recommend for pct and on what schedule? If using the same pin for deca and test how many ml total does that work out to be? It seems like the injection would be large. And if using the same time, do you use a different head on the pin when entering each vile?

Look in the pct forum in the stickies a standard protocol pct should be listed the reason I don't spot one out for u is I'm on trt and its been awhile since I pct'ed so things change. Your total mgs is going to be based on the strength of your gear so test c is generally 200 mgs per ml so your pinning 500 a week that's 1.25mls 2x a week the deca I used was 300mgs per ml so roughly (.66) mls 2x week that = 1.9mls that's not a lot to pin in your thigh or glute. Use 1 needle to draw the aas from both bottles, change the needle and pin it. Easy way draw 1 aas pull the plunger down to get ass out of needle push plunger back up to release air draw 2nd aas pull plunger down to get all aas out of needle switch out old pin push air out and pin it. Also song dog is correct get diet right first or it's all a waste!