first tren cycle: advice needed

**Acidborg** · 04-06-2013, 10:59 AM

Hey guys,

I'm currently researching options for a solid third cycle, and so far I'm inclined to go with a tren /test prop cycle. I've been looking at posts of people who have done a similar cycle, but some info doesn't seem to add up, so I'd like to know what you guys think of the following

Stats:
1m75
80 kg
first cycle: classic test-e 500mg/week (extremely satisfying results)
second cycle: test at 500 mg/deca at 400 (quite disappointed with the results, expected more)

Third cycle:

W1-8: tren 100 mg + test prop 100 mg (EOD in one syringe, so 2 ml thigh injections EOD)
AI: adex - 0.5 mg EOD
W2-8: HCG - 1000 IU (500 IU two times a week)
PCT: clomid - 100/50/50/50

My questions:
A) is HCG absolutely necessary? I've already heard it might stimulate gyno on a cycle like this.
B) is 2ml of tren/test prop mix too much for the thigh? I'm expecting some pain somehow...I always injected in my glutes so far.
C)the eternal debate of course: EOD or ED....

I always prefer to do some solid research before jumping into a cycle, so any input/advice is welcome until this cycle is on point

Thanks!

**MickeyKnox** · 04-06-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Acidborg

Hey guys,

I'm currently researching options for a solid third cycle, and so far I'm inclined to go with a tren /test prop cycle. I've been looking at posts of people who have done a similar cycle, but some info doesn't seem to add up, so I'd like to know what you guys think of the following

Stats:
1m75
80 kg
first cycle: classic test-e 500mg/week (extremely satisfying results)
second cycle: test at 500 mg/deca at 400 (quite disappointed with the results, expected more)

Third cycle:

W1-8: tren 100 mg + test prop 100 mg (EOD in one syringe, so 2 ml thigh injections EOD)
AI: adex - 0.5 mg EOD
W2-8: HCG - 1000 IU (500 IU two times a week) Begin first wk, and I recommend 250iu 2/wk.
PCT: clomid - 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

My questions:
A) is HCG absolutely necessary? I've already heard it might stimulate gyno on a cycle like this. It is if you want to prevent testicular atrophy.
B) is 2ml of tren/test prop mix too much for the thigh? I'm expecting some pain somehow...I always injected in my glutes so far. 2ml is fine.
C)the eternal debate of course: EOD or ED....For what? Tren Ace/Prop and AI is EOD

I always prefer to do some solid research before jumping into a cycle, so any input/advice is welcome until this cycle is on point

Thanks!

Reds...

**Lunk1** · 04-06-2013, 11:32 AM

I saw no mention of a PRL control.....

**Acidborg** · 04-06-2013, 11:33 AM

Thanks man,

So I can inject the tren /prop blend EOD ( 1 ml of tren then 1ml of prop into the same syringe) ?

**Acidborg** · 04-06-2013, 11:34 AM

I have prami on standby

**Lunk1** · 04-06-2013, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Acidborg

Thanks man,

So I can inject the tren /prop blend EOD ( 1 ml of tren then 1ml of prop into the same syringe) ?

NO problem

**schon** · 04-06-2013, 11:58 AM

How much did you weigh before you started your first cycle? Maybe I converted your stats wrong, but isn't it about 5'9" @ 175lbs?

**crazy mike** · 04-06-2013, 12:04 PM

Tren cycle looks good. 2 in one syringe is no prob. You might get PIP in your thigh. I try to stay in my hip. It works better for me. For myself I was pinning ed. Got sore but I was ok. ...crazy mike

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-06-2013, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Reds...

I notice you said Ace/Prop is EOD, but ED is nice because of more stable blood levels (especially for the ace). I'm doing ED right now and have 0 sides 2 weeks in. I can't compare with EOD since I've never done it, but thus far the ED pinning hasn't bothered me in the slightest. I'd recc it personally. If you're not willing to pin ED you're not dedicated enough to be using tren imo (obviously there's exceptions to this but I'm just making a point haha).

**ScotchGuard02** · 04-06-2013, 12:44 PM

Make sure you control your estrogen. Keeping estrogen under control is a good way to keep your prolactin under control. Work the dose slowly up with prami starting too high a dose will make you sick. Tren is strong stuff so you might still get sides even though you're taking precautions. Don't panic, stay with your PCT and give your body time to recover. Good luck. Keep some anti-acne stuff on hand. I tend to react with Tren.

**Lunk1** · 04-06-2013, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

I notice you said Ace/Prop is EOD, but ED is nice because of more stable blood levels (especially for the ace). I'm doing ED right now and have 0 sides 2 weeks in. I can't compare with EOD since I've never done it, but thus far the ED pinning hasn't bothered me in the slightest. I'd recc it personally. If you're not willing to pin ED you're not dedicated enough to be using tren imo (obviously there's exceptions to this but I'm just making a point haha).

considering the half life of Ace then EOD will be adequite to provide stable blood levels. While some ppl do claim that spreading the weekly volume out between more frequent injections helps lower sides...other say it has neve made a diff. It's personal preference but I dont think pinning ED=dedication. It's a matter of not having to pin anymore than whats neccessary to get the desired results.

**ScotchGuard02** · 04-06-2013, 12:50 PM

I pinned a Test Prop cycle ED and another Test Prop cycle EOD. Same results, I couldn't really tell the difference in the sides. They were about the same.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-06-2013, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

considering the half life of Ace then EOD will be adequite to provide stable blood levels. While some ppl do claim that spreading the weekly volume out between more frequent injections helps lower sides...other say it has neve made a diff. It's personal preference but I dont think pinning ED=dedication. It's a matter of not having to pin anymore than whats neccessary to get the desired results.

Ya, but obviously pinning ED will produce a lot more stable blood levels. EOD is pushing it to the limit with acetate. That being said you can get away with it and I don't mean to come off as insulting to anyone who prefers EOD. If you're willing to pin ED though, I think you should go for it. I definitely don't regret it, and theres always a chance that you may experience less sides by doing so. More stable blood levels is always better.

**Lunk1** · 04-06-2013, 01:04 PM

I'm not sure you are really considering the half life of the compound in terms of stabalized blood levels. If using your manner of thought then it would be better to pin 2X a day or maybe once per hour.

**Acidborg** · 04-06-2013, 01:12 PM

Will adding HCG add to possible gyno?

I've never used HCG before because my balls seemed to recover nicely with a solid PCT, but tren (like everyone said) is strong stuff...still not sure if I should use it.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-06-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Acidborg

Will adding HCG add to possible gyno?

I've never used HCG before because my balls seemed to recover nicely with a solid PCT, but tren (like everyone said) is strong stuff...still not sure if I should use it.

I ALWAYS include hCG to promote a smoother transition from on cycle to PCT and to prevent testicular atrophy.

**Buster Brown** · 04-06-2013, 03:51 PM

I wouldn't gamble, use the Hcg from the start. The healthier you keep your boys, the easier time you will have during Pct.

**crazy mike** · 04-06-2013, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I'm not sure you are really considering the half life of the compound in terms of stabalized blood levels. If using your manner of thought then it would be better to pin 2X a day or maybe once per hour.

Ya know the old school w/lack of thought sometimes comes into reality. What really do you feel. What and just how sensitive are we. Get real. I have pinned with long esters every 3 days, every 4 days every 5 and 3 when not paying attention (not good idea) and overall in a cycle have NEVER noticed the difference in 1 or two days. I've done the short esters Tren A and pinned eod and ed and never noticed a difference. Like Lunk head ..ha says how do we really need to monitor our system. By pen, and stopwatch or hey what. WE are not taking feel good compounds that rise and fall in 2 / 3/4 hours. Mind altering. We are doing 8-10-12-16 week cycles. Get the rule of thumb and go for some consistency. Miss a day just get back on the horse and ride get back on your track. Too much science SOMETIMES !! take it easy and just go with the plan and the flow. ...just my 10 cents................crazy mike

**songdog** · 04-06-2013, 04:00 PM

I would have your diet checked out.2 cycles and you only weigh 175? Did you have a base prior to your 1st cycle? Wat was your weight?

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-06-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I'm not sure you are really considering the half life of the compound in terms of stabalized blood levels. If using your manner of thought then it would be better to pin 2X a day or maybe once per hour.

It would be, but ED is a good balance between a non-ridiculous amount of pinning and more stable blood levels. I'm just saying if you don't mind you might as well. There's really no reason not to other than not enjoying pinning. Gives you more flexibility too (i.e. yesterday I injected around 12 pm, today I didn't inject till 4, isn't a problem because I'm doing ED injections, but when you start going to EOD you could run into spikes and dips in hormones if you're not meticulously on injecting every 48 hours. The half life of tren ace is 2 days in the BEST CASE scenario. Well you can get away with EOD it's not ideal.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-06-2013, 06:46 PM

To add a visualization, here's your blood on test prop ED vs EOD (keep in mind tren ace has an even shorter half life)

Notice the spikes and drops (as well as consistently lower blood levels) received by EOD injections? This is why I'm a believer of ED for short ester, but EOD won't kill you or anything. It's personal preference really but there is no denying from a performance and sides standpoint ED is theoretically (and in many cases in practice) the better of the two.