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    planning out my first cycle, possibly my second too, advice needed!

    Age: 21
    Height: 5'8
    Weight: 180
    BF%: 6-8% (when i start)

    hey guys. ive been training natural for over 4 years now, and have decided i want to start a cycle. im aware of the consequences, and the dangers. but i feel that im ready. id also like to include that i am already naturally infertile, and that risk is not one i need to weigh.

    Im currently cutting down for the summer down to 6-8% BF. I plan to maintain that until October 2013, which is when I start my first cycle:

    Wk 1-12 test E = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
    Wk 1-12 Aromasin 10mg ED

    PCT
    15 to wk 19
    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    nolva 40/20/20/20


    I was considering switching test E with Cyp, or Prop, and adjust the weeks accordingly. any opinions on which is a best for a first cycle?
    should i include aromasin in the PCT as well?

    I was considering hCG as well, but I've had people tell me to save it for later cycles. that and, to be honest, temporary testicular atrophy doesnt bother me lol.

    this will be a strictly bulking cycle, I want to put on as much mass as I possibly can, and then cut again in Spring 2014. Should I start my second cycle at that point as well? Or just cut naturally?
    If I were to do a second, cutting cycle, what would you recommend? I was considering Prop, anavar, and clen.

    Im afraid of losing any of my gains from the cycle, especially since Ill be cutting so soon after PCT. But at the same time, I feel like it might be a bit too soon to start a second cycle? Unless I use prop first cycle, in which case my first cycle would have ended earlier.. any opinions? Should I use just clen for next year's cut, will that help me hold onto the muscle i made in the cycle?
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    Your natural testosterone levels are sky high right now. I would concentrate on taking advantage of that as you can make tremendous gains in following few short years.

    It’s best to know the complications and associated health risks that could affect you should you decide to embark on this journey sooner than later. A few more years to allow your developing endocrine system to finish growing, and then perhaps look at using AAS.

    Its also important to understand what it is your putting into your body and the associated roles these compounds play, and the dreaded side effects that are bound to creep up on you - especially if you didn’t do your homework. Otherwise you could be setting yourself up for a host of unwanted side affects including premature closure of your growth plates, Erectile Dysfunction, Gynecomastia (b*tch t*ts), and more..

    The Young and Steroids

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    You will be amazed what you can achieve naturally over the next few years. Personally I went on to win a state level comp in the light heavy class. Dedication over drugs was the winning formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    Your natural testosterone levels are sky high right now. I would concentrate on taking advantage of that as you can make tremendous gains in following few short years.

    It’s best to know the complications and associated health risks that could affect you should you decide to embark on this journey sooner than later. A few more years to allow your developing endocrine system to finish growing, and then perhaps look at using AAS.

    Its also important to understand what it is your putting into your body and the associated roles these compounds play, and the dreaded side effects that are bound to creep up on you - especially if you didn’t do your homework. Otherwise you could be setting yourself up for a host of unwanted side affects including premature closure of your growth plates, Erectile Dysfunction, Gynecomastia (b*tch t*ts), and more..
    I appreciate the concern brother, but I'm aware of the risks and I'm ready to take them. I'm prepared for whatever side-effects may come. I have my mind set out on this and have decided I don't want to wait.

    I know my genetics and I don't see myself making much more gains, if at all, if I continue to work naturally.

    Believe me when I say I'm dedicated, 24/7, my diet is on point, I never skip a meal or any training. I don't even have a social life or leave the house, I dedicate myself 100% to my training, eating, and sleep, and nothing distracts me.
    Last edited by af9001; 04-07-2013 at 05:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by af9001 View Post
    I appreciate the concern brother, but I'm aware of the risks and I'm ready to take them. I'm prepared for whatever side-effects may come. I have my mind set out on this and have decided I don't want to wait.

    I know my genetics and I don't see myself making much more gains, if at all, if I continue to work naturally.

    Believe me when I say I'm dedicated, 24/7, my diet is on point, I never skip a meal or any training. I don't even have a social life or leave the house, I dedicate myself 100% to my training, eating, and sleep, and nothing distracts me.
    How can you possibly predict the future. You are talking to vets here who have seen it all. Listen to them, don't be a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Provita View Post
    How can you possibly predict the future. You are talking to vets here who have seen it all. Listen to them, don't be a fool.
    because nobody knows my body, or my genetics as well as i do. ive been training for a long time and each year seeing the gains decrease exponentially, but my diet, training, and sleep were still on point, even improving actually.

    if i thought i could reach my goal naturally, then i absolutely would, why would i want to take any unnecessary risks? but i know that i need gear to reach my goal, and as i said im ready to take the risks and i really appreciate that this community has concern for younger people who cycle, but i want to make it clear that im not going about this foolishly and staying as safe as i possibly can, which is why i am asking these questions

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    You surely are going about this foolishly. You are not take the advise of people who have more experience with AAS than you are old.

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