Pro hormone ?s

[lk23]

I am currently taking a prohormone of Deca and Ultradrol,
2pills a day, and estro blocker at night,
In total 50mg of deca, 60mg of ultradrol and 200mg of long jack a day, so far no side effects and libido is still good, i have been on it for 6days with 24 days left will this dosage give me any libido problems???

[fit2bOld]

Dont know. We are a steriod Information site. Maybe one of the guys might have experience with these products but we don't usually endorse the use of these products as they are very harsh and have left a trail of injured users.

[MickeyKnox]

Pro Hormones are not recommend here. Typically, kids use PH's.

[EyE]

You should be more specific about what your actually taking....And do you have something lined up for PCT? just because its a PH, doesnt mean you can get away without it.

[Lunk1]

Have not seen a GOOD PH in 8-10 years. DEA got em all

[EyE]

Have not seen a GOOD PH in 8-10 years. DEA got em all

There are.....or were.....some strong designer steroids that were marketed as PH's for awhile though.

[ChiveOn]

You may have better luck on a PH forum rather than here. Not many would recommend pro hormones let alone use them here. They are generally just as toxic, if not more than AAS. Not only that but like yourself, so many people take them without a test base. Not understanding that many of them will shut you down naturally...

[Lunk1]

There are.....or were.....some strong designer steroids that were marketed as PH's for awhile though.

I agree...10 years or more ago. They were literaly methylated AAS labeled as PH's. Good days!

[lk23]

Yea i do hav a pct, it has estro block, heart guard, liver protection and test boost

[MickeyKnox]

Yea i do hav a pct, it has estro block, heart guard, liver protection and test boost

This is what gets kids into trouble. And that's why we dont recommend them here - too much bs on the interweb about these things. I have yet to read one single post or thread where one single guy has done PH's "properly."

[EyE]

You may have better luck on a PH forum rather than here. Not many would recommend pro hormones let alone use them here. They are generally just as toxic, if not more than AAS. Not only that but like yourself, so many people take them without a test base. Not understanding that many of them will shut you down naturally...

almost, if not all will shut you down or heavily suppress HPTA function....and most people who take them just consider the lethargy from not having any test and no test base to be a side effect.

I agree...10 years or more ago. They were literaly methylated AAS labeled as PH's. Good days!

Even superdrol, which is basically methylated masteron was still available up until a couple years ago.....and honestly, so many people stocked up before the ban, that its still readily available.

Yea i do hav a pct, it has estro block, heart guard, liver protection and test boost

What are your stats? Age? height? weight? bf%? years training? previous cycles?

AND A LIST OF EVERYTHING YOUR TAKING....don't just say liver support....THE NAME OF THE ACTUAL PRODUCT

[EyE]

This is what gets kids into trouble. And that's why we dont recommend them here - too much bs on the interweb about these things. I have yet to read one single post or thread where one single guy has done PH's "properly."

I have seen a few logs where someone did things right but they are few and far between....Most people think OTC test boosters is enough for pct.....sad really.

[Lunk1]

The biggest problem I had with PH's is that i had to take 3-4X the rec. dose and then the concern is toxicity

[auswest]

Epistane gave me more testicular atrophy in 4 weeks than tren in 8 weeks..
Not to mention when I would go to the toilet it was white indicating possible liver problems...
Stay away from them, I used most of them a while back and if I could go back I would never of used them, not worth it..

[EyE]

The biggest problem I had with PH's is that i had to take 3-4X the rec. dose and then the concern is toxicity

What were you taking?

[JCFobsession]

Yeah on PH's explain the brand and what its titled. There are tons of them out some good some bad...

Good meaning results.

Bad meaning fake,garbage etc.

Ph's can give good results. Strength, size, weight.

Also most are 17a methyl so activated through the liver, so i recommend a pretty sturdy dose of milk thistle/liver support.
Cycle assist before,during, after.

Some are stronger then others.

With phs a lot of times they adjusted the chemical make up code to
get away or mirror other stuff...

Phs have gone down the drain sense 2011 and vice president putting bans on em all.

Anywho list what your taking. Brand and name. And cycle support and pct. Just cause its a oral ph don't get it twisted still have proper PCT.

[Lunk1]

What were you taking?

I have taken epi, h-drol, sdrol, tren xtreme..many more I cant even remember.

[MickeyKnox]

I have seen a few logs where someone did things right but they are few and far between....Most people think OTC test boosters is enough for pct.....sad really.

The biggest issue i have seen is that these kids treat PH's like they're candy and have no side effects or repercussions? For some crazy reason they feel a recovery plan is not important, liver protection is bro science or a myth, and any other solid proven support is simply hearsay.

But the transparent truth is, PH's are not any more dangerous that AAS. HOWEVER, they are considerably more toxic because they are all oral.

It drives me up a wall..

[JCFobsession]

I have good knowledge personally and from friends that have taken oral phs.

Ill gladly help out

I HAVE HAD GREAT EXPERIENCES AND
HAVE HAD HORRIBLE EXPERIENCES

Good =strength....size....weight.... +libido....

Bad = liver irritation, mood swings, high bp,
Gyno, low libido, no results, fake,

[Lunk1]

The biggest issue i have seen is that these kids treat PH's like they're candy and have no side effects or repercussions? For some crazy reason they feel a recovery plan is not important, liver protection is bro science or a myth, and any other solid proven support is simply hearsay.

But the transparent truth is, PH's are not any more dangerous that AAS. HOWEVER, they are considerably more toxic because they are all oral.

It drives me up a wall..

That was me ...ran prob 8 cycles or more of ph's and never used anything but milk thistle and no pct...

[EyE]

The biggest issue i have seen is that these kids treat PH's like they're candy and have no side effects or repercussions? For some crazy reason they feel a recovery plan is not important, liver protection is bro science or a myth, and any other solid proven support is simply hearsay.

But the transparent truth is, PH's are not any more dangerous that AAS. HOWEVER, they are considerably more toxic because they are all oral.

It drives me up a wall..

I agree with you micky, and not only are they all oral, but most are methylated....However I dont have issues if people run a proper PH/DS cycle and take some precautions..Most dont though. I know a majority of this board does not support PH/DS for the reasons you stated but also for the fact that very few run a test base with them.....which will create some side effects but most are willing to accept being lethargic as hell for some legal gains....Not trying to step on any toes, just my $.02 after extensive research.

The worst thing I have seen was "can I stack superdrol, methadrol and ultradrol?" only if you want to shit your liver out in a couple days.

[EyE]

That was me ...ran prob 8 cycles or more of ph's and never used anything but milk thistle and no pct...

Dang, that sucks. I'm sure that caught up to you

[lk23]

Im taking DecaMass Extreme (MSL Labs) has
30mg of Ultradrol
25mg of Deca
100mg of Long Jack
100mg of Milk Thistle
100mg of NAC
Taking it 2X a day(12hrs apart) with 15g of fat, im also taking a liver detox 1X a day with a meal, and and Estro blocker(EstroFuse) at night. For PCT i have Xtreme PCT (MSL Labs) it has Estro Blocker, Liver Protection, Heart Guard, & Tribulis Tesstris for test booster and 2TX from Max Muscle witch is an All Natural Test Booster

[Lunk1]

Dang, that sucks. I'm sure that caught up to you

Had some issues with libido during the tren xtreme cycle. Honestly one of the best PH's I used. No lasting problems from it know but my recovery abality has always been excellent (fingers crossed)

[EyE]

Had some issues with libido during the tren xtreme cycle. Honestly one of the best PH's I used. No lasting problems from it know but my recovery abality has always been excellent (fingers crossed)

Wow, congratulations...your luckier than alot of people....out of curiosity, what were your opinions on superdrol?

[EyE]

Im taking DecaMass Extreme (MSL Labs) has
30mg of Ultradrol
25mg of Deca
100mg of Long Jack
100mg of Milk Thistle
100mg of NAC
Taking it 2X a day(12hrs apart) with 15g of fat, im also taking a liver detox 1X a day with a meal, and and Estro blocker(EstroFuse) at night. For PCT i have Xtreme PCT (MSL Labs) it has Estro Blocker, Liver Protection, Heart Guard, & Tribulis Tesstris for test booster and 2TX from Max Muscle witch is an All Natural Test Booster

Stats? height? weight? BF%? age?

and that PCT is garbage. So yes, chance of libido problems are looking pretty good.

[JCFobsession]

That was me ...ran prob 8 cycles or more of ph's and never used anything but milk thistle and no pct...

Oouuucccccchhh depending on what you were taking and your age has real factor on how it will turn out down the road or when off them...

No matter what milk thistle and a cycle support should be ran on any PH.

not all PHs need a heavy cycle support or an AI or serm product.

*** epistane which was original epi. That smelled like sulfar. Was legit good product. Make well and safe and also had inhibitor effects of helping with gyno. Was also beginner PH that needed regular pct. Such as red bottled i reversible. Which is not same compound anymore. You could still run Clomid and nolva for pct.

Mild PH like x tren, or trendadrol I'd still use good pct nolva, clomid.

Going heavy like superdrol or mass tabs. A RREAAAL deal pct was required.

REMEMBER these are not like anavor or dbol or hg product.

Lol didn't know at the time but one of the best s*it's out trenadrol from kilo sports. Got raided and busted by dea. Dudes were.making it out of there bath tub. But was great stuff

[lk23]

5'11" 170lbs 15% body fat Age 21

[EyE]

5'11" 170lbs 15% body fat Age 21

The best advice I can give you is to stop what your doing. your only a week in, you should be fine if you stop, but if you keep going with this "cycle" you could and probably will end up with some nasty unwanted side effects. Most of the people that come here yelling about ED and depression did the same type of half ass PH cycle that your doing. your cycle sucks, drop this stuff and head over to the nutrition forum and fix your diet.

[Lunk1]

Wow, congratulations...your luckier than alot of people....out of curiosity, what were your opinions on superdrol?

I think the last I ran was ...i ran Competative edge and Fast Action Pharm sdrol and hdrol together. double the rec dose and still honestly cant say I felt any real benifit. Methyl Masterdrol and ACL tren xtreme were best I ran

This caused me to start down the road to AAS use...thank god!
http://www.ironmagazine.com/blog/200...nd-max-muscle/

[reiss c]

My mates still complaining about feeling crap to this about 2 may b 3 months after running pro mag (ph) And he lost all his gains there in my eyes worse than real gear