Pleas read this.

**Ole kristian** · 04-07-2013, 11:58 PM

Im starting to get pritty bored of all the members that is so obsessed with behaving like an asshole. To many times have i read a thread where a member are looking for help, and all he gets is comments like "you should never touch AAS" or "go ahead and destroy your self for life" or " if you think that, you are stupid" ect... seriously, im a big fan of forums but i have never been on a forum with so many arrogant assholes. its so many people here with so much knowlege that they dont share. There is NO such thing as stupid questions, just diffrent level of knowledge. its not strange that some people **** up their life because of AAS abusement when they go to this forum for help, to many people get told so much shit about how stupid they are, that they rather go to their dealer for help instead. how do you think this world would look if teachers behaved in the same way as many of you do? this should be a platform where people help each other through informative explanation and motivation, this field is HARD and very complex, dont expect everyone to know everything.

sorry for the typo's

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 12:07 AM

Well, I'm not sure what you've been through in 60 posts... but if your attitude is anything like your post above with all the profanity... it's no wonder you're not getting anywhere.

**MistaHaze** · 04-08-2013, 12:20 AM

Most of the vets are pretty knowledgeable and understand the consequence of what uneducated people will do to there body and I believe they are in the best interest of people when they say people "shouldn't touch aas ". Most people never had anyone there to be brutally honest and are paying the price for it today... This game ain't all pretty and tough love by calling it like it is beats sugar coating shit but hey what do I know...

**Ole kristian** · 04-08-2013, 12:50 AM

I dont comment often, i like to just read. My attitude is normaly not that bad, but this forum (of field?) is one of a kind when it comes to members behavior.
I have no problem with getting the answere and help i ask for, im writing this because i think many of the members (specially the new) does not get the information they should get.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ole kristian

I dont comment often, i like to just read. My attitude is normaly not that bad, but this forum (of field?) is one of a kind when it comes to members behavior.
I have no problem with getting the answere and help i ask for, im writing this because i think many of the members (specially the new) does not get the information they should get.

Give me a link to an example. I want to see where a member did not get advice. most likely they were just told what they don't want to hear. But let's have a look.

**Ole kristian** · 04-08-2013, 01:01 AM

I agree, many should definitely not touch AAS, but i belive that it is more effective to scare them with Selective dissemination of information.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ole kristian

I agree, many should definitely not touch AAS, but i belive that it is more effective to scare them with Selective dissemination of information.

Give me an example.

**MistaHaze** · 04-08-2013, 01:04 AM

There are countless threads on here on scientific whatever and actual life experiences... No excuse why all stickys should not be read before asking any questions... And most of the neg remarks that do happen are when people do not like honest answers and push back until people have had enough... Just my opinion

**Ole kristian** · 04-08-2013, 01:04 AM

Austinite I think you missunderstod, im not saying that they should get the help they need to do what they want, im saying that they should get the information that is for their own best in a way that convince them.

**MistaHaze** · 04-08-2013, 01:05 AM

Anyhoo this forum is for steroid questions I'm out...

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ole kristian

Austinite I think you missunderstod, im not saying that they should get the help they need to do what they want, im saying that they should get the information that is for their own best in a way that convince them.

I'm not misunderstanding anything. And I agree with you. But cite an example or let it go bro...

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 01:07 AM

I also have taken notice that the young/new/inexperienced guys get thrashed when they come here looking for aas advice.. It seems that more often than not, the experienced guys highly recommend not cycling and/or waiting to cycle... The only problem with this is that the person asking advice isn't looking for your approval or permission, but instead, advice on whatever their subject at hand is...

And correct me if I am wrong but most of us are here to share and obtain knowledge and advice... A big difference between approval or permission

**Ole kristian** · 04-08-2013, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Give me an example.

I dont have the knowledge to give a good example in this field, but if you say to a doc that you want help with a steroid cycle, im pritty sure he will give you a good example.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by mrmida

I also have taken notice that the young/new/inexperienced guys get thrashed when they come here looking for aas advice.. It seems that more often than not, the experienced guys highly recommend not cycling and/or waiting to cycle... The only problem with this is that the person asking advice isn't looking for your approval or permission, but instead, advice on whatever their subject at hand is...

And correct me if I am wrong but most of us are here to share and obtain knowledge and advice... A big difference between approval or permission

Do you have an example? Everyone is welcome to knowledge. We offer it at all times. However, you have to understand that an 18 to 21 year old thinks differently than a 30+ year old that has experience. Young folks want to be spoon fed and don't want to hear about the ill effects. This is where it gets frustrating for experienced users. Not all young ones have tunnel vision, we have many young members that have a good head on their shoulders. When good advice is rejected with comments like "Just tell me what to take!!" - it only makes sense that the immaturity level is exposed.

Again, show me an example of this.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ole kristian

I don't have the knowledge to give a good example in this field, but if you say to a doc that you want help with a steroid cycle, im pritty sure he will give you a good example.

Link me to a thread where a young user was "bashed" from the get go (so to speak). Show me an example of a new young member that has done his/her research, read all the sticky threads, explained in his original post that he/she is fully aware of the consequences and got bashed. Show me. Because if there is a post like that, I want to personally speak to those members that are "bashing" young members. I wouldn't tolerate it.

Give me a link. Give me something to go off of. Please.

**boz** · 04-08-2013, 01:20 AM

When you have been a mod/vet for that long here, and u see the same threads day in day out, asking the same questions WHEN CLEARLY these new members can dig around and find the answers themselves you will than understand why some get so blatant or crude you may say. As stated here earlier this is not toys we are playing around with here, these are harsh compounds that can take years to understand and how your own body works to them.

If not done correctly the consequence can and will be sever, possibly for the rest of your life. Do you think these mods want this on there conscious, for not giving them the harsh advise that no one else had the balls to do? Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

Lucky for you this aint a school or these aint school teachers. Yes being courteous can go along way and does not cost anything to give a half decent response in a civilised manner. All i have to say is put youself in the mods shoes, they have been around for a LONG time, they have been doing this stuff since you were in nappies.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by boz

When you have been a mod/vet for that long here, and u see the same threads day in day out, asking the same questions WHEN CLEARLY these new members can dig around and find the answers themselves you will than understand why some get so blatant or crude you may say. As stated here earlier this is not toys we are playing around with here, these are harsh compounds that can take years to understand and how your own body works to them.

If not done correctly the consequence can and will be sever, possibly for the rest of your life. Do you think these mods want this on there conscious, for not giving them the harsh advise that no one else had the balls to do? Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

Lucky for you this aint a school or these aint school teachers. Yes being courteous can go along way and does not cost anything to give a half decent response in a civilised manner. All i have to say is put youself in the mods shoes, they have been around for a LONG time, they have been doing this stuff since you were in nappies.

Well said. And some of these members (mod or otherwise) are speaking from experience... Good AND bad. Like myself. I would hate to see ANYONE go through what I did. So I advise accordingly. However, never bashing. It's only taken that way because it's human nature to be lazy. Those who research, work hard, train hard, eat hard, sleep good are a VERY rare breed.

Here is a good example of a members saying "Come on! There has to be a pill!" http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...70#post6484970

Tell me that is not frustrating. A mature member will earn respect very quickly. Lazy people are not likely to be taken seriously.

**sixfootseven** · 04-08-2013, 01:30 AM

In my experience I've seen the opposite.

There are a few people I see coming down on people a little hard, but overall I wouldn't say this site is like that.

**ppwc1985** · 04-08-2013, 01:31 AM

Ole I been here about 10 months and what I think you getting is basically the way I understand it is the vets here and the site will not give cycle advice to op under say 25 due to the fact that its not in the interest of your health when your under that age. Then when op hears this they themselves start to get derogatory. But most ppl will try to give you the best advice, whether that be nutrition, training and so on. But most vets here want to see the younger guys stay heathy, then when they old enough to cycle the proper way. There are alot vets here who cycled young and are now paying the price with their health. That's the facts.

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Do you have an example? Everyone is welcome to knowledge. We offer it at all times. However, you have to understand that an 18 to 21 year old thinks differently than a 30+ year old that has experience. Young folks want to be spoon fed and don't want to hear about the ill effects. This is where it gets frustrating for experienced users. Not all young ones have tunnel vision, we have many young members that have a good head on their shoulders. When good advice is rejected with comments like "Just tell me what to take!!" - it only makes sense that the immaturity level is exposed.

Again, show me an example of this.

Yes I have an example but I need you to explain how to post it here.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by mrmida

Yes I have an example but I need you to explain how to post it here.

Copy the URL and paste it.

**Ole kristian** · 04-08-2013, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Link me to a thread where a young user was "bashed" from the get go (so to speak). Show me an example of a new young member that has done his/her research, read all the sticky threads, explained in his original post that he/she is fully aware of the consequences and got bashed. Show me. Because if there is a post like that, I want to personally speak to those members that are "bashing" young members. I wouldn't tolerate it.

Give me a link. Give me something to go off of. Please.

im not talking about just young members and I dont have an example that fit your kriteria, but because someone dont read all the stickys does not mean that it is okay to treat them bad.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ole kristian

im not talking about just young members and I dont have an example that fit your kriteria, but because someone dont read all the stickys does not mean that it is okay to treat them bad.

Give me an example of someone being treated bad out of no where. It's not my criteria. It's yours.

This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-Please-Advise!
This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UWJ3jZOG2pc
This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...S#.UWJ3sJOG2pc
This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UWJ3w5OG2pc

These are just the latest few threads.

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Copy the URL and paste it.

I'm using the iPad application so I can't get the URL but actually it's the thread titled "Newbie User- Please Advise" and ironically I believe you were the last to reply to it...

If you read through you see how the question he is asking is not answered, and there is little advice on the cycle he proposed... Yet there is a lot of opinions on whether or not he should be starting a cycle... And this proves my original point earlier in this thread.. The newbie/young guy can't get advice because he is immediately discounted because of his age...

Now don't get me wrong, I AGREE with your advice in that thread but it clearly isn't what he is asking... And that is the only point I'm trying to convey... Instead of advice on his soon to be first cycle, he is getting disapproval of using aas at all.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by mrmida

I'm using the iPad application so I can't get the URL but actually it's the thread titled "Newbie User- Please Advise" and ironically I believe you were the last to reply to it...

If you read through you see how the question he is asking is not answered, and there is little advice on the cycle he proposed... Yet there is a lot of opinions on whether or not he should be starting a cycle... And this proves my original point earlier in this thread.. The newbie/young guy can't get advice because he is immediately discounted because of his age...

Now don't get me wrong, I AGREE with your advice in that thread but it clearly isn't what he is asking... And that is the only point I'm trying to convey... Instead of advice on his soon to be first cycle, he is getting disapproval of using aas at all... Maybe this is for his own good, but if you look back at that thread you will see what I am talking about

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UWJ5VpOG2pc

The advice in that thread was NOT to cycle. the OP clearly has not done any research at all. Notice he has no clue on AI/PCT. Even then, I don't see where he got bashed. As a matter of fact he agreed to the advice and stated he would wait until he is ready. Smart guy.

There is NO reason to go into cycle details when he is over a year away from being ready. His stats today would not apply a year from now. I would do him a disservice by advising him on a cycle that isnt going to happen for years.

Please recite an example where OP's are bashed from the get go.

Otherwise it's just ramblings. The thread you refer to is a perfect example of what I'm talking about and has nothing to do with what you guys are saying. You can spend 100 days online looking for forums. you won't find one that offer such sound advice like this one. I promise you.

**auswest** · 04-08-2013, 02:09 AM

Very bad example op, can't fault the advice given there...

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by mrmida

I'm using the iPad application so I can't get the URL but actually it's the thread titled "Newbie User- Please Advise" and ironically I believe you were the last to reply to it...

If you read through you see how the question he is asking is not answered, and there is little advice on the cycle he proposed... Yet there is a lot of opinions on whether or not he should be starting a cycle... And this proves my original point earlier in this thread.. The newbie/young guy can't get advice because he is immediately discounted because of his age...

Now don't get me wrong, I AGREE with your advice in that thread but it clearly isn't what he is asking... And that is the only point I'm trying to convey... Instead of advice on his soon to be first cycle, he is getting disapproval of using aas at all.

And now you're in that thread instigating a problem with the OP in an attempt to prove your silly point. But I'll tell you now, even before he replies to your question... even if he DOES decide to start tomorrow, at least we'e done our part and pointed him in the right direction. Whether it works or not is up to the OP. But this isnt what we're talking about. We're talking about people NOT getting any advice and treated badly. Which you cant seem to cite.

**kronik420** · 04-08-2013, 02:13 AM

this is a no flame board

if you see someone flaming/bashing someone else, report it..

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by auswest

Very bad example op, can't fault the advice given there...

I am not the op of this thread and if you read my post, I AGREE with the advice.

**kronik420** · 04-08-2013, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by mrmida

I am not the op of this thread and if you read my post, I AGREE with the advice.

then.... whats the problem??

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UWJ5VpOG2pc

The advice in that thread was NOT to cycle. the OP clearly has not done any research at all. Notice he has no clue on AI/PCT. Even then, I don't see where he got bashed. As a matter of fact he agreed to the advice and stated he would wait until he is ready. Smart guy.

There is NO reason to go into cycle details when he is over a year away from being ready. His stats today would not apply a year from now. I would do him a disservice by advising him on a cycle that isnt going to happen for years.

Please recite an example where OP's are bashed from the get go.

Otherwise it's just ramblings. The thread you refer to is a perfect example of what I'm talking about and has nothing to do with what you guys are saying. You can spend 100 days online looking for forums. you won't find one that offer such sound advice like this one. I promise you.

Ok, the op claimed people get bashed... I don't feel they are being bashed but instead they are not given what they are looking for... Again, he is not looking for advice on whether or not to cycle...

I AGREE WITH YOUR ADVICE... But the kid originally wanted pointers on his cycle... Not approval on whether or not he is ready... The only reason I feel this may be a disservice to him is because he said he plans on starting this cycle tomorrow and he has the gear on hand.. So now if he does start, nobody gave him advice on "AI/PCT" etc..

You know what I mean? I'm not trying to argue because I know you are posting in his best interests, but can you agree that the reoccurring theme in these threads is "you're too young to start aas" and then the newb gets little help?

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 02:31 AM

Not instigating at all... I'm genuinely curious... He should take the advice. But considering he already purchased the gear and wants to start tomorrow, who knows what he will do?

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by mrmida

Ok, the op claimed people get bashed... I don't feel they are being bashed but instead they are not given what they are looking for... Again, he is not looking for advice on whether or not to cycle...

I AGREE WITH YOUR ADVICE... But the kid originally wanted pointers on his cycle... Not approval on whether or not he is ready... The only reason I feel this may be a disservice to him is because he said he plans on starting this cycle tomorrow and he has the gear on hand.. So now if he does start, nobody gave him advice on "AI/PCT" etc..

You know what I mean? I'm not trying to argue because I know you are posting in his best interests, but can you agree that the reoccurring theme in these threads is "you're too young to start aas" and then the newb gets little help?

Why? Why would anyone advise on a potentially dangerous cycle before making an attempt to save the OP some harm?

If you called me and asked me if it is wise to put a 600HP engine in your car without modifying the suspension... I would tell you no. You need to rebuild your suspension first to be able to handle such power. once I see what your new suspension looks like... I'd be able to tell you what engine to use.

Besides, OP said he will wait. Gear is not going to go bad. He can save it for years. I completely understand your point. Saying "You are too young" is just silly. But it's hardly bashing or treating anyone badly. It's not like they said "You idiot! You are Fvcking up your HTPA, you're a moron!". That would be unreasonable.

But most of the "Youre too young" comments are followed up with explanations and links to resources by more patient members. I've already done the leg work since OP refuses to do so. I can't find a single thread that died after a bashing.

As far as your concern with the OP, if he comes back and says he will use anyway, I will point him in the right direction.

We have thousands of members. This equals thousands of personalities to adapt to. But a thread like this one is just silly, because for one it's not true at all. Not on these forums. And second... even if it was true, the occasions are far and few between. Not something to point out. Sounds like OP didnt hear what he wanted in a thread and decided to start this. He cant even give me an example.

**Ole kristian** · 04-08-2013, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Give me an example of someone being treated bad out of no where. It's not my criteria. It's yours.

This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-Please-Advise!
This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UWJ3jZOG2pc
This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...S#.UWJ3sJOG2pc
This? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UWJ3w5OG2pc

These are just the latest few threads.

I didnt give the criterias: new young member that has done his/her research, read all the sticky threads, explained in his original post that he/she is fully aware of the consequences.

And i didnt find any thread atm but i have been looking on this site for some month now and i have reacted multiple times because of some members behavior, normaly it is threads where the OP is young and want to start a cycle at all cost. I can refer then i see one.

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Ole kristian

I didnt give the criterias: new young member that has done his/her research, read all the sticky threads, explained in his original post that he/she is fully aware of the consequences.

And i didnt find any thread atm but i have been looking on this site for some month now and i have reacted multiple times because of some members behavior, normaly it is threads where the OP is young and want to start a cycle at all cost. I can refer then i see one.

I don't think so... Looking at your post history I don't see reactions from you. Maybe you can give me an example...

http://forums.steroid.com/search.php...st&showposts=1

**austinite** · 04-08-2013, 02:46 AM

I'm done with this thread. Should have been posted in the lounge anyway.

Next time anyone wants to make statements like this, please back it up with examples. Staff is happy to look into any issues and concerns. But we can't fix a problem if we can't identify it.

**Ole kristian** · 04-08-2013, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

I don't think so... Looking at your post history I don't see reactions from you. Maybe you can give me an example...

http://forums.steroid.com/search.php...st&showposts=1

*noticed

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Why? Why would anyone advise on a potentially dangerous cycle?

If you called me and asked me if it is wise to put a 600HP engine in your car without modifying the suspension... I would tell you no. You need to rebuild your suspension first to be able to handle such power.

Besides, OP said he will wait. Gear is not going to go bad. He can save it for years. I completely understand your point. Saying "You are too young" is just silly. But it's hardly bashing or treating anyone badly. It's not like they said "You idiot! You are Fvcking up your HTPA, you're a moron!". That would be unreasonable.

But most of the "Youre too young" comments are followed up with explanations and links to resources by more patient members. I've already done the leg work since OP refuses to do so. I can't find a single thread that died after a bashing.

As far as your concern with the OP, if he comes back and says he will use anyway, I will point him in the right direction.

Your right it isn't bashing, and the OP of this thread is mistaken because bashing isn't the correct term.. Merely discounting of the younger members is what I have observed... And the only reason I am even commenting is because i started young also and I wish I had the opportunity to learn from experienced guys such as yourself and other mods/vets on this forum...

However, regardless of the advice not to do steroids , when I was 19 I did anyway.. (As I'm sure many can relate)

So when I see a young guy that is ready to rock and proposes his first cycle, it reminds me of myself and how set in stone I was about beginning my journey with aas.

This said, I am willing to bet that most of them will use aas, despite the excellent advice and direction given here by us more experienced.. Not trying to argue aust. Just having a respectful discussion of opinions here

**gbrice75** · 04-08-2013, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by mrmida

I'm using the iPad application so I can't get the URL but actually it's the thread titled "Newbie User- Please Advise" and ironically I believe you were the last to reply to it...

If you read through you see how the question he is asking is not answered, and there is little advice on the cycle he proposed... Yet there is a lot of opinions on whether or not he should be starting a cycle... And this proves my original point earlier in this thread.. The newbie/young guy can't get advice because he is immediately discounted because of his age...

Now don't get me wrong, I AGREE with your advice in that thread but it clearly isn't what he is asking... And that is the only point I'm trying to convey... Instead of advice on his soon to be first cycle, he is getting disapproval of using aas at all.

Let me ask you a question. If this were a forum built around how to 'live a responsible life', and a member posted asking for advice on how to go about committing suicide, should we oblige simply because he asked? Why would we do that when our purpose is to help people to live?

This board exists to educate people on responsible AAS usage. Often times, the responsible advice is *not* to cycle.

My example above may be a stretch, but I hope you're picking up what I'm putting down.

**mrmida** · 04-08-2013, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

Let me ask you a question. If this were a forum built around how to 'live a responsible life', and a member posted asking for advice on how to go about committing suicide, should we oblige simply because he asked? Why would we do that when our purpose is to help people to live?

This board exists to educate people on responsible AAS usage. Often times, the responsible advice is *not* to cycle.

My example above may be a stretch, but I hope you're picking up what I'm putting down.

I understand bro... Believe me I do... Your example, if answered by jack kevorvian, would be yes!