Hi all, I just recently signed up to the forums but I have been reading this forum since 6-8 years ago gathering information. I wanted to say that this is a great forum, with very knowledgeable people such as swifto, marcus and summer_girl(forgot the name). Sorry if I didnt mention the new knowledgeable people as I'm just recalling these names that have posted threads 4-5 years ago. I'll start with my stats,:
27 yrs
180 cm tall
88 kg
approx ~ 15% bf
I love working out. I started when I was 14-15, almost very consistent till now. I started at the weight of 55kg.
History
The first time I tried steroids was at the age of 14-15. I didn't even know that it was steroids. I was introduced to Dbol by a friend who had no clue to what it was either. We just knew that it makes us big very fast. I got those pink 5mg tabs and was told by the seller to take 20mg the first week then increase to 30 and so on till i reach 50mg and then taper it down again to 20. Well I had massive gains and at my age, I was huge but it was mostly water and very low quality muscle.
As soon as I finished the cycle, I had a fever that lasted 2 days and I was continuously peeing even though I wasn't drinking any water. By that 2 days, I had completely lost everything I gained!! I didn't know what happened as I was too young. My hair started falling too and my libido was very low, hard to get/maintain erection, BUT its back to normal now. I used to have a thick healthy set of hair but now its just fine and thinning(not bald though).
After that I stayed off it for awhile but I was tempted at the fast gains so at 20-21 I started again but this time, I had a different friend who told me that my dose was too high and I should only take 10-20mg per day max. He said that I will still see very good gains. So I tried his method and true enough I made good gains. My gains had more quality and I was growing very steadily with hard, fuller muscles instead of bloat. I ran for a month and kept 90% of my gains. All these times I have not done PCT as I don't know what that was, but i had pretty good libido and minimal hairloss.
Previous Injectable cycle
Ok so by this time, I really wanted to try injectables because I stumbled on this forum while trying to search for steroids online. The more I read, the more excited I got. So i kept on reading and planning what I wanted to take. And I wasn't quite bothered by the age fuss that was going on about people below 25... So I took 2 years of reading and planning and 2 years ago at the age of 24-25, I finally got my friends to buy gear for me from a good pharmacy in Thailand. BEFORE I start this cycle, I made sure to gym everyday with lots of cardio to reduce my BF% to 10-12% with very good diet and started at 79kg to prime my joints, heart and tendons. This was my cycle with PCT!:
Week 1-5: Dbol & Stano at 20mg/day for both
Week 1-16: Test E. 250mg, 2x/week
Week 1-15: Equipoise 300mg, 2x/week
Week 2-16: HCG 500 IU, 2x/week
Week 2-18/19: Arimidex, 0.5mg EoD or 0.25 ED
Week 17-19: HCG 2500 IU once a week with 10mg Nolvadex
Stopped HCG and continued with Clomid for 6 weeks at 100/50/50/50/50/50 & 20mg Nolvadex for 6 weeks as well.
During this cycle I was on clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and planned so that I would be on clen during my PCT for the anti-catabolic properties. I felt great! The gear started to kick in at week 4+ thats when I really exploded. The time leading to my PCT was great as well. I never felt down, my balls were full and I still had decent load(sorry)and I didn't have much mood swings. I started at 78kg and I ended at 99kg, 8-10% BF. I really wanted to hit 100 but i kept on fluctuating between 98-99. So anyway I havent done any blood work(because it too damn expensive) but I figured that I was very safe. My libido is still there, minimal hairloss, testis looks normal, I do not have a history of highblood pressure and I take milk thistle everyday. After the PCT, 2 months later, I kept 80-90% of gains with still intense workouts. At first I went down to 92-93kg and then 2 years later, now, I have been so busy with school that I totally skipped gym for 6 months and dipped to 86-88 kg. Pretty happy with my first injectable cycle.
My next cycle
OK! Ever since my last cycle I have stopped reading this forum. Recently I started reading again and I have decided to post my whole cycle history here along with what I wanna do the next month. My pCT protocol will be the same as last cycle. This cycle will be a low dose which I will explain why later, of testosterone mix 400/ sustanon 400. Esters are:
Test Phenylpropionate 100mg
Test Cypionate 100mg
Test Isohexanoate 100mg
Test Decanoate 100mg
I will be working out more intensely combined with lots of cardio before starting this cycle to lower my BF%, strengthen my tendons and basically to get maximum gains. Aim to reach 100kg with 8-10% BF this time.
Low Dose cycle
Week 1-6/7: 150mg, 2x/week. Preload of 300mg on first day.
Week 1-4: Dbol 10mg/day
Week 1 & 4-7: Anavar 10-20mg/day. Nolvadex 10mg/day for week 1.
Week 1-7: HCG 250 IU, 2x/week
Week 1-10: Arimidex 0.25mg/day or 0.5mg EoD
Week 8-10: HCG 1500-2000 IU once a week with 10mg Nolvadex
Stop HCG and continue Clomid/Nolvadex. 100/50/50/50 and 20mg Nolvadex 20mg ED extended to 5 weeks.
Theories
Ok I have a few theories regarding my low dose cycle. First, in my short experience with cycles, I have learned that the body still responds to low dose such as 10mg Dbol for example. Many would say otherwise but I have experimented and with a low dose of compounds, your body grows slow but with very high quality gains. Also its less of a bitch to jab 0.5ml than 2ml
Now as a beginner such as myself, I learnt that I do not need such high amounts of compounds as a low dose like 300mg per week is still 2x more than what the body produces. So, in effect, we will still benefit.
My PCT protocol actually starts the week after last injection. This is to prime and fire up my testis for test/sperm production. In an experiment by Dr Scally :Using a long acting ester testosterone (CYP and ENAN) does not mimic the normally functioning male body's circadian rhythm (daily rise and fall of testosterone). Testosterone, in a normally functioning body, does not explode up to high levels then gradually fall over a 1-2 week period as it does when injecting a testosterone such as CYP or ENAN. On the contrary, the body produces a small amount each day which is far below 200mg (It's around 10mg). That small amount is concentrated at the beginning of the day and then falls low by the end of the day. This process repeats itself every day and by the end of two weeks, a normally functioning body produces approximately 140mg of testosterone (appx. 70mg per week).
Recently, I have started to read this forums again, and there seems more beginners asking how to cycle properly and less of knowledgeable members writing up reviews and their cycles. I am a beginner myself, but I have armed myself with years of knowledge from reading this forums and learning from my good/bad experiences from cycles. I have a lot to learn still and I still refer to this forum if I forget any protocols. I do hope that beginners such as myself plan their PCT first before getting the gear. Also, as a general rule, the longer and higher dose your cycle = longer PCT, AND the amount of time off your should take from using AAS should be= "Amount of time on cycle + Amount of time on PCT". Don't go and jump on any cycle just because someone else said that they ran it with good results. Take your time to read on the compounds and decide what your goal is. More does not mean better.The esters used in the abstract were cypionate and deconate however the administration of the PCT medications were started the day after aas cessation. Essentially the aas esters were still active when PCT began. The first 16 days a large amount of HCG was used in order to increase the mass of the testes so that they could sustain output of testosterone sooner. The HCG was stopped about the time the esters cleared so that estrogenic activity from the HCG would be reduced. During those first 16 days 2 different SERM’s were also employed (Clomid and Nolvadex) This protocol is contrary to what is typically recommended in many forums but regardless the protocol was effective in all 19 men. This is a 100% success rate! After the HCG was discontinued both SERM’s were continued. The following is the exact protocol in laymen’s terms.
Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day
Regarding my cycle, I would like opinions from other members. I do not want to increase my dose, I'm pretty set on this low dose, but I would like to see others PCT protocols. Especially from those that have kept 80%+ of gains. I have personally tested out low dose of orals from Dbol, stanozolol, and I know that they work. I am patient and I don't expect or want tremendous gains in 1 week.
I am also unsure if I should run 0.25mg Arimidex EoD or 0.5 EoD. Should I stick to 250 IU of HCG 2x/week or go with my previous cycle of 500 IU 2x/week? The reason why I was on 500 IU previously was because I initially started on 250, but I still saw the my testicles were quite shrunk. I kept on researching and found that some people are not so sensitive to HCG so a higher dose is required. But since this is a lower dose cycle, do I still need need 500 IU 2x/week? Any experiences?
A few favourite references I have that I always refer to are here. Thanks to the authors. Your posts helped me a whole bunch, first class. I can't find the post though made my Swifto i think that shows research done on HPTA suppressed men with high dose HCG injections alongside clomid.
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