Oral tren as kickstarter for tren-e

**Bravez** · 04-15-2013, 10:16 AM

Iam planning my next cycle and I would love to hear your opinions. I like to plan my cycles out thoroughly before starting. Is it possible to use oral tren as kickstarter for tren e? Something like.

Week 1-4 Oral Tren 500mcg/ed
Week 1-12 Sustanon 500mg/wk (pinning every monday, wednesday)
Week 1-11 Tren E (200mg/wk (pinning every monday wednesday together with sustanon)

2 weeks after last sust shot PCT: clomid, liv52, nolvadex , ESSENTIALE FORTE N

Tell me if its pure bullshit or not

btw My stats are 98 kilograms about 9-12% bodyfat, age 23

**warmouth** · 04-15-2013, 10:20 AM

Risky, risky stuff man. I'd stick to dbol . What are you cycle experiences?

**Bravez** · 04-15-2013, 10:26 AM

Did 3 cycles in past 12wkTestE+dbol , 12wk Sust deca inj.stan, 8wk test prop+trenace.

**Bonaparte** · 04-15-2013, 10:29 AM

You need the liver supports while running orals, not after.

**Bravez** · 04-15-2013, 10:34 AM

So i should start that liv52 1 week before cycle and run it till end of pct ? Or add some milk thistle (never used it before )

**warmouth** · 04-15-2013, 11:00 AM

Oh wow. Bonaparte is right. I missed that. Use the liver support the whole time of using the orals. And I'm still on the fence about methyl-tren . I just can't recommend something I wouldn't touch. Mayne Bonaparte can clear it up and say it isn't so bad. I just can go by the stories I've heard. I can't even try it.

**DAAS** · 04-15-2013, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

You need the liver supports while running orals, not after.

Wont liver support while on Oral cycles limit its effectiveness? After all the liver support is basically trying to cleanse the liver of the substance you're taking.

I was always told to just eat high fiber to help the liver do its job.

**warmouth** · 04-15-2013, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by DAAS

Wont liver support while on Oral cycles limit its effectiveness? After all the liver support is basically trying to cleanse the liver of the substance you're taking.

I was always told to just eat high fiber to help the liver do its job.

If it did it would be minimal. Plus keeping the liver healthy is a must! Odd are if you ever needes a transplant you wouldn't get one. It ia just a precautionary measure that should be taken. NAC is a great one that I t ake daily whether on or off with vitamin C. Great stuff. But liver protectants help the secretion of bile, which should, in theory, assist the AAS in doing its job.

**DAAS** · 04-15-2013, 11:31 AM

I agree the liver is extremely important, however it can regenerate like no other organ. My dads friend who was a long time alcoholic had near death experience with a dying liver and with in 2 months of milk thistle his liver values were normal. But if the gains wont be limited much by a support then why not keep it healthy as possible.

Originally Posted by warmouth

If it did it would be minimal. Plus keeping the liver healthy is a must! Odd are if you ever needes a transplant you wouldn't get one. It ia just a precautionary measure that should be taken. NAC is a great one that I t ake daily whether on or off with vitamin C. Great stuff. But liver protectants help the secretion of bile, which should, in theory, assist the AAS in doing its job.

**warmouth** · 04-15-2013, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by DAAS

I agree the liver is extremely important, however it can regenerate like no other organ. My dads friend who was a long time alcoholic had near death experience with a dying liver and with in 2 months of milk thistle his liver values were normal. But if the gains wont be limited much by a support then why not keep it healthy as possible.

It is a very resiliant organ, that's for sure! But if the liver is consistently abused, it can have permanent damage. The case of your dads friend can happen to others, but others can have reverse reactions. Once cirrhosis sets in, it can only be managed. But the liver is a strong organ no doubt.

**Bravez** · 04-15-2013, 12:21 PM

What about some1 like this Week 1-4 Lipovitan 6 tab/ed
Week 1-4-Flavobion 4 tab./ed
Week 14-18 Essentiale forte N 6tab/ed
PCT: Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 30/20/15/10
Proviron 75/75/50/25
maybe clenbuterol not rly sure about clen in pct
HCG
Is it fine for liver support and PCT? Never rly used so much liver support stuff so iam not used to dosage.

**songdog** · 04-15-2013, 02:54 PM

Your profile says you are only 21 and you just joined.Not telling the truth isnt a good thing here bro.Not only are you to young running tren then with a oral tren kicker is just plain dumb.

**Bravez** · 04-16-2013, 02:44 AM

Sorry, Ive put some random age to my profile when creating, because ive never add age to my profile, its fixed now. So whole cycle with tren as kickstarter is bullshit? :-)

**XxAndreaxX** · 04-16-2013, 03:14 AM

why not tren ace as kickstart? or frontload?
I mean, maybe M-tren is much faster then tren ace, but maybe you get an advantage of only a couple of days.... its not worth IMO

**Bravez** · 04-16-2013, 05:56 AM

How much tren ace and how long? something like Week 1-6 100mg eod is it enough for tren ace or waste of time ? Never used it as kickstart or frontload.

**bigsiv** · 04-16-2013, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Bravez

How much tren ace and how long? something like Week 1-6 100mg eod is it enough for tren ace or waste of time ? Never used it as kickstart or frontload.

I can't believe your running these compounds and talking about them like they are nothing and at 23!

Forget about tren A kick start or tren A for that matter what the hell is wrong with a good old test cycle? Are you telling me you have gone as far as you can on test?

Sorry for being a dick but I'm with the school of thought that more isn't always better and kick starting a cycle is bollocks IMO. Quickly gained muscle is quickly lost once compounds cease. You need to learn how to use compounds more wisely.

**bigsiv** · 04-16-2013, 08:15 AM

I can't see any mention of A.i, Hcg or prolactin protection???? Did I miss that?

**Bravez** · 04-16-2013, 11:27 AM

Sorry forgot to write about it, ofc have some caber, and hcg on hand +Week 1-12 adex 0,5mg/ED. I prefer oral form tren . because its faster then just trenA for kickstart, but if its rly that harsh i drop that shit and go straight TrenE, sust cycle with higher trenE dosage.

**ChiveOn** · 04-16-2013, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bravez

So i should start that liv52 1 week before cycle and run it till end of pct ? Or add some milk thistle (never used it before )

Exactly this. Oral tren is very harsh

**Bravez** · 04-17-2013, 05:14 AM

After reading some threads about Methyltrienolone Iam not 100% sure if its worth a risk maybe only 3 weeks and not 4. Iam going to visit my doc. soon to get my blood checked before cycle.