New to forum...new cycle test400 and tren e

**piro20** · 04-15-2013, 10:08 PM

Hi, I am new to this forum thing and this is my 2nd cycle, and I had a lot of wrong advice my first time round and didn't get the results I wanted so I figured I would come here. My first time I did test 250 for 8 weeks. I gained maybie ten pounds. I Am 29 and weigh 147 pounds and am 5'6. I have the fastest motabolism EVER! I have been working out for years and can not get over 155 pounds. I consume between 4-5000 calories a day and can't put on weight. ****ed up heh! So anyways I started test400 and tren e 200mg today 1ml each. Any thoughts?

**songdog** · 04-15-2013, 10:14 PM

You dont need tren ! and before you do anything you need to get your diet fixed.Beacuse if you cant gain weight nat aas wont help.Hit the diet section and post your diet and tell them your goals.They will help.

**piro20** · 04-15-2013, 10:42 PM

I have already started but here are some pics of me so I can follow my results. My diet is fine, I have been to everything from nutrition experts to doctors to figure it out and it has come down to a stupidly fast motabolism. I don't have a problem putting on lean muscle at all. If I stop my supplements and working out I fall back to about 135 pounds, and 155 I have been lots and can get there easily, it's just the hurdle I can't get over lol. I put a retarded amount of work into my body, and I just want the results I have been trying to get since I was a teen. I know a few people that have done tren there first cycle and loved it. So here we go, but would l appreciate advice as I go thx. And no pics right now for some reason can't put them on with my phone

**crazy mike** · 04-15-2013, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by piro20

I have already started but here are some pics of me so I can follow my results. My diet is fine, I have been to everything from nutrition experts to doctors to figure it out and it has come down to a stupidly fast motabolism. I don't have a problem putting on lean muscle at all. If I stop my supplements and working out I fall back to about 135 pounds, and 155 I have been lots and can get there easily, it's just the hurdle I can't get over lol. I put a retarded amount of work into my body, and I just want the results I have been trying to get since I was a teen. I know a few people that have done tren there first cycle and loved it. So here we go, but would l appreciate advice as I go thx. And no pics right now for some reason can't put them on with my phone

Hi, you say you can't gain weight. When I was your age long ago I did it. I was 30 yrs old ad 5'-11" and 135 lbs. Got into the gym, trained like a beast and ate every two hours. I gained weight. I didn't hit th aas until I was at 160 lbs. I was a very SKINNY ecto. If you are eating 4-5000 a day then you could do this. Tren is not for what you are trying to do. Wrong compound for where your at and for many reasons. Please slow down and follow what some of songdog said. good luck...crazy mike

**piro20** · 04-15-2013, 11:11 PM

Kk, just out of curiosity why is it not what I am looking for? Not trying to argure at all just want to learn, from my understanding u don't want to do tren if u don't already have good muscle mass to build off of. I have lots of muscle if that's the case, not skinny by any means, wish I could post pics (I will get it figured out soon), and I have lots of strength, just don't c the problem, plz educate me!! Lol

**piro20** · 04-15-2013, 11:18 PM

O ya remember I am only 5'6 and have no body fat! I am pretty ripped, not bragging just trying to describe my physique. My body mass index says I am overweight lol the only reason I am at 147 and not my usual is I have been taking test freak and I lost my gut lol

**ScotchGuard02** · 04-15-2013, 11:24 PM

Tren is a nor19 compound and is very harsh on the HPTA. Your sides may be dramatic and your recovery from PCT might not be as good as you with. Normally, one would cycle Test a few times, Test/Deca maybe, Test/Masteron , and after a while you get to Test/Tren. On an anabolic scale it is 5 out of 5. I will make your hard and vascular but it will also shut you down pretty hard. Ever since my last Tren cycle I've been suffering from anorgasmia (inability to orgasm). It's just not worth the risk when your body will respond really well to Test only cycle. Think about it.

**songdog** · 04-16-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by piro20

I have already started but here are some pics of me so I can follow my results. My diet is fine, I have been to everything from nutrition experts to doctors to figure it out and it has come down to a stupidly fast motabolism. I don't have a problem putting on lean muscle at all. If I stop my supplements and working out I fall back to about 135 pounds, and 155 I have been lots and can get there easily, it's just the hurdle I can't get over lol. I put a retarded amount of work into my body, and I just want the results I have been trying to get since I was a teen. I know a few people that have done tren there first cycle and loved it. So here we go, but would l appreciate advice as I go thx. And no pics right now for some reason can't put them on with my phone

You see you are starting this wrong already! You are pretending to know something you dont DIET! Beacuse if you were eating that many cals you would be gaining weight.Now post wat you ate yesterday.

**songdog** · 04-16-2013, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by piro20

Kk, just out of curiosity why is it not what I am looking for? Not trying to argure at all just want to learn, from my understanding u don't want to do tren if u don't already have good muscle mass to build off of. I have lots of muscle if that's the case, not skinny by any means, wish I could post pics (I will get it figured out soon), and I have lots of strength, just don't c the problem, plz educate me!! Lol

NO you run the other compounds until you get all you can from them.Then you use tren .But if your diet isnt right.Nothing will work.And you never posted your great diet.Beacuse if it was good you would be bigger period!

**piro20** · 04-16-2013, 07:14 PM

Now those are some of the answers I was looking for and I didn't post my diet yet cause I work 12 hrs and just got home. For breakfast I had 2 packets of yogurt 100 cal a piece, an Iso mass shake with a packet of instant oatmeal and a bannana in it 1000 cal 2 cookies and a pb and j sandwich in between breakfast and coffee break, at coffee a chicken thigh and drumstick and a seafood sandwich, a granola bar and another cookie and a yogurt before lunch, a bowl of soup and some spagetti, nothing before next coffee, some penne noodles at coffee and some raw broccoli And carrots with ranch dip, a muffin and seafood sandwich till work was done. I am now gonna go eat supper go work out, a protien shake right after. Then I always eat right before bed, and quite often I wake up in the middle of the night and eat cereal or make a sandwich. My nick name is the fat kid cause I eat so much lol trust me u r not the first person who has told me about diet. I just don't know how much more food I can eat, and I work in camp so there is no shortage of food,

**songdog** · 04-16-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by piro20

Now those are some of the answers I was looking for and I didn't post my diet yet cause I work 12 hrs and just got home. For breakfast I had 2 packets of yogurt 100 cal a piece, an Iso mass shake with a packet of instant oatmeal and a bannana in it 1000 cal 2 cookies and a pb and j sandwich in between breakfast and coffee break, at coffee a chicken thigh and drumstick and a seafood sandwich, a granola bar and another cookie and a yogurt before lunch, a bowl of soup and some spagetti, nothing before next coffee, some penne noodles at coffee and some raw broccoli And carrots with ranch dip, a muffin and seafood sandwich till work was done. I am now gonna go eat supper go work out, a protien shake right after. Then I always eat right before bed, and quite often I wake up in the middle of the night and eat cereal or make a sandwich. My nick name is the fat kid cause I eat so much lol trust me u r not the first person who has told me about diet. I just don't know how much more food I can eat, and I work in camp so there is no shortage of food,

Wat people think is a lot really isnt.Beacuse BBers need more food.And your diet sucks bro.And you aint eating the cals you think you are.Add them up and you will see.Now if you want to put on size you will need a good diet.While it maybe hard it can be done.At least better than you are now.Many guys have demanding jobs.Hit the diet section they will help.