Test Cyp + Winni 8 Week??

[Gizmo79]

Good day guys. I am looking at embarking on my 2ndcycle, and would like to get your opinions and advice.
these are my thoughts: testC250 once a week 1-8 + 40mgwinni per day week 6-8 or
testC250 once a week 1-8 + 20mgdb0l per day week 1-4 + 40mgwinni per day week 6-8
pct would be cl0md week 10-12 at 25mg per day(please advise on pct also)
stats are 32 1.75m 88kg 17% bf, training 4 years on and off, last cycle 3 years ago, dca + db0l
thanks for all input guys.
ps: had to change med-names slightly as i'm a new member

[Gaspaco]

Do simple TEST cycle!

8weeks is not enough for long ester!

1-12 test c 400-500mg/week

If you want you can kickstart it with some dbol 40mg first 4week is plenty.

Add AI and HCG to your cycle!

AI - adex 0.25mg eod 1-12
HCG - 250iu twice a week since week one until 4days before PCT start.

Your PCT is weak!!! For CYP wait 18days after last pinn.

NOLVA 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/25

[DeadlyD]

Do simple TEST cycle!

8weeks is not enough for long ester!

1-12 test c 400-500mg/week

If you want you can kickstart it with some dbol 40mg first 4week is plenty.

Add AI and HCG to your cycle!

AI - adex 0.25mg eod 1-12
HCG - 250iu twice a week since week one until 4days before PCT start.

Your PCT is weak!!! For CYP wait 18days after last pinn.

NOLVA 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/25

Agree^^^ 12 weeks min with cyp.

[Gizmo79]

Thx a ton!!

[Gizmo79]

can I stack my syringe with the testCyp and vitamin b simultaneously? why do you disagree with the winstr on the back end? I have also found many users on this forum who are happy with 8 week testC&E cycles, what is your reasoning behind saying otherwise?

[Gaspaco]

Long esters such as E or C wont fully kick in by week 4-6 depends on individual.

You can mix vitamin b with your oil.

Winny has more sides than benefits for me.

[ScotchGuard02]

The E ester half life is 10.5 days and Cyp is 12 days. In other works it takes a long time for the body to break the ester down and put the Test to use. It takes about 4 weeks to break down enough E ester and accumulate the Test in the body. It takes Cyp even longer, maybe 5 weeks? That's when the Test "kicks" in. If you quit at the end of 8 weeks your max test level is only for 4 weeks because it takes 4 weeks for E to "kick" in. I recommend E ester 12 week cycle and Cyp 14 week cycle. I normally do a short ester if I want to run an oral in the cycle. Everything works faster. That's just me.

[Gizmo79]

Thx Gas and Scotch!! can either of you tell me how to claim my free bottle of buy-online.com for registering on this forum, as per the popup ad 2 days ago??

[Gizmo79]

In ur experience, what are the definite sides I can expect from winni? got my adex, nolva and clomd, db0l and cyp all ready :-)

[Gizmo79]

this is what it looks like now:
10 week Test cyp250 1-10
dbol 20mg ed 1-4
0.5mg adex eod 1-10 & week 11 0.5 etd
clomd 14 days after last pin(not 18) 100x5days/75x2days/50x7days
nolva start 1 week after clomd 40/20/20/20
maybe winni week 8-10
what do you think?