Prop/Tren dosage

[seriouslifter]

I want to do a 10 week summer cutter of prop/tren. I also will have prami or caber on hand. Regarding dosages, should i drop prop to 75mg EOD? I always like to use less and then build in tolerance. Last cycle i did prop 100mg EOD for 4 weeks kickstarted along with test enth and deca.

wk 1-8 - tren a 100mg EOD
wk 1-10 - prop 100mg EOD


PCT (3 days after last test injection )
clomid 100/50/50/50 - 35 50mg
nolv 40/40/20/20 - 42 20mg

Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED

[MickeyKnox]

Looks good.

You can reduce Prop if you like. Start @ 75mgEOD and increase form there if you feel its necessary.

hCG?

[Lunk1]

75 or 100 mg is your choice...I don't believe you will see much difference one way or the other.

Your not "building a tolerance"

Stop the prop at 8 weeks as well...no need to run out extra 2 weeks. The esters are nearly the same (trenis a bit shorter half life)

Rest looks good...keep BP checked frequently

[songdog]

stats would be good

[seriouslifter]

i read to run prop extra 2 weeks and run tren max 6-8 weeks. i wanted to run a 10 week cycle to be on longer, but if i run 8 weeks that means i can recover quicker and get back on again quicker. i dont think it makes no difference? 8 weeks enough for gains. Honestly i felt last cycle that i wasnt really gaining anymore after 10 weeks or so.

[seriouslifter]

Looks good.

You can reduce Prop if you like. Start @ 75mgEOD and increase form there if you feel its necessary.

hCG?

I was thinking HCG, but might not be available for me. Considering not a long cycle, I would think clomid/nolv is enough?

[seriouslifter]

is Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED enough to prevent gyno, since that chemical is more expensive than ldex, I dont even know if its worth it. I did armidex at .25mg EOD last time and i still felt getting gyno. i know i am gyno prone. is 12.5mg of aromasin better than .25mg of ldex EOD stronger?

[Lunk1]

The protocal of running tren out longer than test is antiquated. PPl believed that you needed to keep test in your system till the tren was gone but...look at it this way.

The will both exit the system at approx the same rate and still leave you with no natural test and the need to PCT and recover your natural HPTA function. Short esters typically lose there ability to produce "quality" gains at the 6-8 week mark and short cycles are easier on your body and the HPTA stands a better chance at recovery the less time it's "on"

[Lunk1]

is Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED enough to prevent gyno, since that chemical is more expensive than ldex, I dont even know if its worth it. I did armidex at .25mg EOD last time and i still felt getting gyno. i know i am gyno prone. is 12.5mg of aromasin better than .25mg of ldex EOD stronger?

Up your adex then to .5..if you still have issues run it ED. Both are effective AI's

[600@50]

Up your adex then to .5..if you still have issues run it ED. Both are effective AI's

Better yet get bw done to see what your E2 is running and to verify your adex is good.

[Lunk1]

Better yet get bw done to see what your E2 is running and to verify your adex is good.

This is always the BEST but least practiced method

[MickeyKnox]

Agree with Lunk.

IF your AI's in the past have been form a quality source, then with your above information about being gyno sensitive and past experience with Adex not being enough at .25mg EOD, i would run your Aromasin like JimmyInk'dUp suggests in his Article on this AI.

12.5mg 2/day or very 12 hours.

[seriouslifter]

thanks. makes sense. seems like for short cycles 8 week max for short esters is recommended. regarding caber vs prami, how could i even know if i have prolactin issues? how do you determine between the estrogren gyno that i will be taking adex or aromasin for and if thats not working that it most likely prolactin?

[seriouslifter]

Agree with Lunk.

IF your AI's in the past have been form a quality source, then with your above information about being gyno sensitive and past experience with Adex not being enough at .25mg EOD, i would run your Aromasin like JimmyInk'dUp suggests in his Article on this AI.

12.5mg 2/day or very 12 hours.

right it might be underdosed/bunk the adex. Might try a diff source. then again i was running deca on last cycle and didnt have prami or caber on hand so it could of been prolactin issue.

[Lunk1]

thanks. makes sense. seems like for short cycles 8 week max for short esters is recommended. regarding caber vs prami, how could i even know if i have prolactin issues? how do you determine between the estrogren gyno that i will be taking adex or aromasin for and if thats not working that it most likely prolactin?

Ifyou manage E2 then the chance of PRL related gyno is rare. In the case of prolactin gyno there is almost always a white milky discharge from the nipple.

[seriouslifter]

Ifyou manage E2 then the chance of PRL related gyno is rare. In the case of prolactin gyno there is almost always a white milky discharge from the nipple.

didnt have any milky discharge so maybe i need .5mg of adex EOD or its bunk/underdosed.

[bigspin]

did you run this cycle? how were your results?