First 'real' cycle

**moparspanky** · 04-18-2013, 10:42 AM

Greetings:

Looking for some reviews of my proposed first cycle.

I have been weightlifting for over 30 years all natural (see below).

45 year old male. 5'7" 170lbs.

About two years ago I noticed a few age related trends:
1. slower recovery
2. reduced pump during lifts
3. shrinking size
4. plateau in strength

I tried a prohormone about two months ago, iForce Protodrol for 4 weeks. I am almost complete with PCT (Nolvadex 40/40/20/20). I did have minor gyno onset literally on my last day of my cycle. I immediately started Nolva PCT and it stopped in two days. I also experienced acne in my last week which went away a week after cycle was over.

I put on 5 lbs that I have kept on (5 more were water weight) and all of my lifts are at higher weights now than two months ago and I have been able to maintain this even after stopping my cycle. Example, my plateau in bench previously had been 185, 6 sets, 10-12 reps. I am now doing 3 sets 225, 8 reps, 3 sets 205, 12 reps.

After much research I have decided to go on a cycle with the real thing. I am looking for lean added mass hence Winstrol instead of Dianabol . I expect a slow start from what I have read. I want to minimize water retention and liver stress.

1-12 Test-E (400/week)
7-12 Winstrol (25/day or 50 eod)
15-18 Nolvadex (40/40/20/20)
Nolva on hand for on cycle and PCT (10/day on cycle if needed)
Arimidex on hand for on cycle (0.25/day if needed)

Additionally I use Himilaya livercare, fish oil, CEL cycle assist.

Any comments, questions, etc are appreciated.

Moparspanky

**Bio-Active** · 04-18-2013, 10:46 AM

First cycle should be test only. You the you should research the use of an AI and hcg on cycle and make sure you have everything on hand before starting any cycle ever including pct meds. Check out the beginner cycle stickys

**moparspanky** · 04-18-2013, 12:16 PM

Thanks for the reply. This website's Novice Cycle suggests Test-E + Dianabol which is why I originally opted for a stack. Running test only is a good suggestion. Thank you.

My plan was to have everything on hand prior to starting. The AI is only 'if needed' as I am familiar with the risks and don't want to use unless a SERM on cycle (if needed) does not effectively control gyno.

My research suggests that Armidex is safer than Letro. is this true?

I don't plan to begin this cycle until 6/1 so I still have time to research.

**Gaspaco** · 04-18-2013, 12:27 PM

Test is only thing you need for your first run!

Add AI and HCG .

PCT NOLVA/CLOMID

With good diet and insane workout you will be beast!!!

**Matt** · 04-18-2013, 02:41 PM

I agree with the others in that test should be run alone first time around, definitely leave the dbol as its most commonly run at the beginning of a cycle, the winny isn't to bad as by week 7 you should have a good idea of how your body is reacting to the elevated test levels but if it were me i'd stick with test only...

Your ai is important as it will keep estrogen in check but i would start with a low dose of whichever ai you choose...

The thing you must remember when running a cycle for cutting or bulking is that diet and training are key, i can cut on any aas if my diet and cardio/training are solid...

Good luck my friend...

**songdog** · 04-18-2013, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by moparspanky

Thanks for the reply. This website's Novice Cycle suggests Test-E + Dianabol which is why I originally opted for a stack. Running test only is a good suggestion. Thank you.

My plan was to have everything on hand prior to starting. The AI is only 'if needed' as I am familiar with the risks and don't want to use unless a SERM on cycle (if needed) does not effectively control gyno.

My research suggests that Armidex is safer than Letro. is this true?

I don't plan to begin this cycle until 6/1 so I still have time to research.

Yes that is out dated and being rewritten as we speak.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-18-2013, 05:43 PM

Take a peek at this link bro.

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?517175-Most-Common-Beginners-Cycles-Look-here..#.UJZv62fX_fs

**moparspanky** · 05-09-2013, 07:41 PM

I have all my gear. I took everyone's advice and am running a long ester test only. I have added an AI and HCG for on cycle after spending many hours reading the excellent educational threads on this forum.
I not only maintained all my strength and size after my experimental ph cycle but I have actually added a few lbs and I have added strength (higher weight workouts).
I really have appreciated this forum and all of the helpful folks and threads.