Kick Start with Test Prop

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 02:32 PM

I'm coming back now from my surgery and I started my bulk cycle over a week ago. During my recovery time I was on low dose test
250 mg wk. I had and still have NO energy, NO appetite. It's so bad that I can't even force feed, except for liquids. I can't live on shakes. I can't get up and running so to speak, just NO energy.
Last Monday I started with Test E 700mg wk , Deca 400mg wk and Dbol 50mg ed. Injections split up. I have nothing, I'm down, no energy, NO appetite and each day I say tomorrow will be better, I'll get more sleep, get up early and on and on.
So please stick with this question. Would a few days, a week or something...of Test Prop stimulate me. Will it kick start energy and appetite. Ya know I have a goal, I am committed, I am OCD about this goal, I live it and obsess about it, and I damn well know what I'm doing in the gym and training and my mind set. But I can't get going and it is bad to be so restrained by my own body. I just want that chemical boost to my energy and appetite. Once on a roll It will snowball, I know it will. Need that blast off. Any thoughts or experience with this please advise, without reprimand or bashing. Thanks. ....crazy old mike

**MickeyKnox** · 04-20-2013, 02:36 PM

All i can say Mike is that Prop will not do anything more than all the other AAS you have in your system, particularly the Dbol .

You may additional bloodwork. Have you used B12 in the past? You may be deficient in other areas.

**kelkel** · 04-20-2013, 02:39 PM

Or think about GHRP-6 to increase appetite. Other than BW like MK said, get moving. Activity may be all you really need to get your CNS hopping again....

**stpete** · 04-20-2013, 02:46 PM

Besides those ^^^^ you might just need some rest from the gym, Mike. There's many times that i have to take a week or so away. I hate it but when my energy is zapped and i feel i'm just spinning my wheels, i take the time off. I go back w/new energy and a desire stronger than before. It's not like we're going to shrivel up from taking the time off.

Just a thought...

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

All i can say Mike is that Prop will not do anything more than all the other AAS you have in your system, particularly the Dbol .

You may additional bloodwork. Have you used B12 in the past? You may be deficient in other areas.

Originally Posted by kelkel

Or think about GHRP-6 to increase appetite. Other than BW like MK said, get moving. Activity may be all you really need to get your CNS hopping again....

Thanks for the quick reply guys. You are the ones I wanted to hear from, I respect your suggestions. I am on a multi vitamin, B-100 complex, and I take twice a day am/pm B-12 oral 1500 MCG. As I have told, I need BW for my E2 but $$$ I am just so, so broke, no way until next month. I am dealing with gyno, and am on Liquidex .5 ed and I KNOW I MUST GET BW. I would borrow the money if I could for the BW. It will tell the TRUTH as to where I'm at with that. BUT Fvck ya do what you can. Oh, hey stpete, I appreciate what you said and I am aware of that issue. Thanks for the help

So I just thought that a hit / blast of test prop would kinda shock my system. Now I ask, Any Harm if I do. I can't see any ???? ...crazy mike I just need to get back in the saddle and you / me/ no one can do it without eating and energy. I HAVE THE DRIVE GUYS. "Man don't get in my way anybody" Haa I gotta get going here.

...crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 03:12 PM

What is GHRP-6 . I do not know what that is ? ...still crazy m

Hold that question I just did some research ... Yep. So I'm getting something here, Thanks for the suggestion. I'm reading up on this now. ....crazy mike

PS: me again, thanks Kel, I got a lot of info on this now. BUT I aint got money for it. But I still have my test p, ...TY...crazy mike

**BBJT200** · 04-20-2013, 03:59 PM

Mike,
i'd strongly suggest b12 injections. they drive appetite through the roof for most people. I can't take them often or I binge eat, lol. But it sounds like that's what you need :-)

Common things that will affect appetite negatively: hypothyroidism, vitamin b12 deficiency, liver distress

Have you ever had your liver enzymes checked, thyroid panel done, or looked into your b12 levels? If you can, i'd suggest getting those checked.
Otherwise, supplementing with b12 shots will do nothing harmful and could only help

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by BBJT200

Mike,
i'd strongly suggest b12 injections. they drive appetite through the roof for most people. I can't take them often or I binge eat, lol. But it sounds like that's what you need :-)

Common things that will affect appetite negatively: hypothyroidism, vitamin b12 deficiency, liver distress

Have you ever had your liver enzymes checked, thyroid panel done, or looked into your b12 levels? If you can, i'd suggest getting those checked.
Otherwise, supplementing with b12 shots will do nothing harmful and could only help

I have all kind of tests and my liver always shows some distress, not enough to get worried. Standard for me and my liver functions.
As I posted I'm doing a lot of B-12 oral. And I also have the $$ issues at this time. The GHRP-6 sounds interesting, but, $$, thanks BBJ.....crazy mike

**Times Roman** · 04-20-2013, 04:10 PM

it sounds like you just need some time post op, as you are still healing/recovering.

I drag ass all the time, and found out "recently" that I have sleap apnea, waiting on my machine. once my sleep improves, the theory goes, my energy levels will increase

good luck!
---Roman

**warmouth** · 04-20-2013, 04:11 PM

Have you thought about B12 injections CM? Ar-r sells it, and it helps many increase their appetites and also give them a sense of well being. Just an idea that wont cost out an arm and a leg and will benefit you either way. Good luck. I hate feeling crappy.

BG · 04-20-2013, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Or think about GHRP-6 to increase appetite. Other than BW like MK said, get moving. Activity may be all you really need to get your CNS hopping again....

This is a good idea and drop the d-bol....its only going to be counter productive with eating.

**stpete** · 04-20-2013, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

it sounds like you just need some time post op, as you are still healing/recovering.

I drag ass all the time, and found out "recently" that I have sleap apnea, waiting on my machine. once my sleep improves, the theory goes, my energy levels will increase

good luck!
---Roman

Agreed, but our friend won't listen to rest. haha...Are you waiting on the C-Pac? I have sleep apnea as well but i don't really do anything for it except for a nap in the afternoon if i'm not working.

**blacksmoke** · 04-20-2013, 04:33 PM

At .5 mg of Adex per day you may well be feeling the effects of low estrogen.

**auswest** · 04-20-2013, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Besides those ^^^^ you might just need some rest from the gym, Mike. There's many times that i have to take a week or so away. I hate it but when my energy is zapped and i feel i'm just spinning my wheels, i take the time off. I go back w/new energy and a desire stronger than before. It's not like we're going to shrivel up from taking the time off.

Just a thought...

This for sure!!

How's your calories and macro breakdown looking?

**Bonaparte** · 04-20-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by BG

This is a good idea and drop the d-bol....its only going to be counter productive with eating.

This. Dbol doesn't really affect my appetite, but it does make me lethargic at higher doses (especially if run without a good dose of test).

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 04:50 PM

E=blacksmoke;6505294]At .5 mg of Adex per day you may well be feeling the effects of low estrogen.[/QUOTE]

Yes I fear that and as I stated I'm broke can get BW for 3 weeks due to $$.
Now back to stpete's remark. Ha.. I am resting, but sh!t I need to get ack. I'm only lifting 25 lbs. +/- but like 30-60 rep weight. Nothing that gets my hernia site tense. I want you guys to respect my ability to keep myself safe at this interval. The doc said ok for the gym. I ride the bike for 30-40 min if I can get the energy. I went a few days (4) and now I am having trouble getting back, I'm so tired and can't eat. So Yes I'm listening stpete really. But I'm trying to hang on to my gains and I am for now. But time to kick in I think. I'm not trying to be an a$$ here or some stupid jerk, but I will say I am big enough of a man to accept constructive criticism. thanks. ...crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 05:09 PM

Hello...HOLD EVERYTHING. ...Hey guys I really appreciate all of you and this forum. I remember that I had a specific Question. WE / I have gotten a little off track. Everything said , good, thanks. So to get back straight on target, my question is what do you think about the injecting of Test Prop 100mg for a few days 2, 3, ? to kick my appetite and energy knowing that they will feed each other once off my a$$.
So now thanks for everything but ...yes or no without even the reason why. Just let me get a few Y or N. ...crazy mike

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-20-2013, 05:10 PM

I didn't read all the responses but the first thing I'd do is drop all orals ie dbol . I hate it but that's just me I'm sure. Lower back pumps, upset stomach, loss of appetite, fvck that you're better off eating properly without the extra androgens.

If that doesn't get you feeling any better you need to look at bloodwork. I've felt lethargic and had a poor sense of well being while cruising and BW has explained why.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-20-2013, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Hello...HOLD EVERYTHING. ...Hey guys I really appreciate all of you and this forum. I remember that I had a specific Question. WE / I have gotten a little off track. Everything said , good, thanks. So to get back straight on target, my question is what do you think about the injecting of Test Prop 100mg for a few days 2, 3, ? to kick my appetite and energy knowing that they will feed each other once off my a$$.
So now thanks for everything but ...yes or no without even the reason why. Just let me get a few Y or N. ...crazy mike

Like I said, before considering upping your test dose to increase energy and appetite you should make sure that high t levels aren't causing side effects that are giving you the issues in the first place.

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

I didn't read all the responses but the first thing I'd do is drop all orals ie dbol . I hate it but that's just me I'm sure. Lower back pumps, upset stomach, loss of appetite, fvck that you're better off eating properly without the extra androgens.

If that doesn't get you feeling any better you need to look at bloodwork. I've felt lethargic and had a poor sense of well being while cruising and BW has explained why.

I agree with everyone that said BW. It's a bad situation to be in but, I can't make chicken salad with chicken sh!t. I'm not crying to you guys but no $$ no BW. I await. ....crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Like I said, before considering upping your test dose to increase energy and appetite you should make sure that high t levels aren't causing side effects that are giving you the issues in the first place.

Yep , so go the blood work. I'm in a corner, thanks ....crazy mike

**Bonaparte** · 04-20-2013, 05:52 PM

How do you keep ignoring our advice to drop the Dbol ???!!
This isn't complicated shit. You complain of lethargy and decreased appetite, both of which are common side effects of dbol.

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

How do you keep ignoring our advice to drop the Dbol???!!
This isn't complicated shit. You complain of lethargy and decreased appetite, both of which are common side effects of dbol.

Oh, I've been listening. Just didn't comment. I'm going to do some research on this tonight and it is considered for sure. Thanks you have the wrong idea.
Now if you want to talk about ignore. Only Sgt. and mickey have really answered DIRECTLY the question of adding the TEST foe a few days to kick something. In fact I just posted a direct question asking for some DIRECT reply as YES OR NO. S as I consider the dbol and as I sit with a syringe loaded with 100mg of Test prop in my lap all day and stopped so I would get some advice first, I'll ask you did you reply AS I ASKED with a fvckin YES or NO.
We discussed everything , many ideas, and I welcome all of them and I AM LISTENING. I could drop the dbol ok so now the simple question and please refer to my first post where I ask for an answer not a bashing. not so crazy mike

**MickeyKnox** · 04-20-2013, 06:39 PM

lol! Give it to him Mike! Dont take any crap from that Bonaparte. Haha

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

lol! Give it to him Mike! Dont take any crap from that Bonaparte. Haha

Ha ha....I'm just saying. Damn,.... gotta get these pants out of my a$$ sorry but..? ....crazy!

can't get no respect

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 06:47 PM

Be back after dinner maybe, I'll either put this in my a$$ or back in my lock box. ....not so crazy mike

**Bonaparte** · 04-20-2013, 07:08 PM

Whether you add the test prop or not will make no difference so long as you keep taking the Dbol , because that is most likely your problem, not a lack of testosterone .

Next time, let us know that you acknowledged our advice, because it was hardly evident and it took me yelling at you to get your attention.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-20-2013, 07:10 PM

How long has it been since you've been completely off AAS or just on trt? I.e.. 250mg test is not a typical TRT dose for someone your age, it's cruising, and prob has you well above ref range.

And you still haven't said what you're taking to control estrogen on 700mg test + deca + dbol ? Are you taking an AI?

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

How long has it been since you've been completely off AAS or just on trt? I.e.. 250mg test is not a typical TRT dose for someone your age, it's cruising, and prob has you well above ref range.

And you still haven't said what you're taking to control estrogen on 700mg test + deca + dbol? Are you taking an AI?

I believe I said that I might have an E2 problem because of .5 Liquidex ed. So I've talked about that being a possible problem AND THE FACT that without $$$$ I have no way to get my BW done. I have been on my AI and have had labs right up until 6 week past. Now also as we continue the investigation I put my appetite time line and energy loss and it has benn getting bad and worse and worse since March 11th surgery. Surgery had no complications, I'm good. Now I as you don't know I started the first Dbol 50 mg on April 8th . Thanks guys, I''ll read between the lines because even though not said , but it is obvious your answer are NO. don't run the Test P or switch. I'm just so stupid No means NO. So I've got my answer and it was so easy . NO! .... just crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 07:42 PM

It has been 6 months since no aas at all. ....crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 10:16 PM

OK, I MADE A DECISSION TO STOP DBOL I look at the sides of Dbol and all the info I could at least that I needed and I'm glad to tell you guys who were telling me to get off the Dbol, thanks. I found that this was not what I thought I needed and will not take any more. I did my homework before but was overlooking a few sides. The problem was not that apparent as now. I told you I would look further.Thanks for all the help guys. ...crazy mike

But just for grins my question is still in my mind in regard to a few days of Prop. ...crazy mike

**austinite** · 04-20-2013, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

OK, I MADE A DECISSION TO STOP DBOL I look at the sides of Dbol and all the info I could at least that I needed and I'm glad to tell you guys who were telling me to get off the Dbol, thanks. I found that this was not what I thought I needed and will not take any more. I did my homework before but was overlooking a few sides. The problem was not that apparent as now. I told you I would look further.Thanks for all the help guys. ...crazy mike

Good call.

**crazy mike** · 04-20-2013, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Good call.

Haaaa....that's the Av I like. ...cm

**warmouth** · 04-21-2013, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Whether you add the test prop or not will make no difference so long as you keep taking the Dbol , because that is most likely your problem, not a lack of testosterone .

Next time, let us know that you acknowledged our advice, because it was hardly evident and it took me yelling at you to get your attention.

I about crapped my pants on the last part.

CM, your posts are some of the most entertaining here. You post as a 12 year old off his ADD meds. LOL! Bonaparts post made me think of that.

**crazy mike** · 04-21-2013, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by warmouth

I about crapped my pants on the last part.

CM, your posts are some of the most entertaining here. You post as a 12 year old off his ADD meds. LOL! Bonaparts post made me think of that.

A 12 yr. old .. now that's flattering or not. If it is my intellect not good, if it's my typing and typos and missed word from time to time please know that that is all from typing problems. It is what it is, I am who I am so I hope you laugh with me and not AT ME.

...cm

**crazy mike** · 04-21-2013, 08:46 AM

I will tell you NOW this am. I stopped the Dbol as advised only this am but for good. I did pin 100mg of Test Prop at around midnight last nigh. I woke up this morning 8:00 am like a rocket. Go figure. so we will see about that. I never got those Y or N's one word answers. So I did what I dis knowing that no harm would come. Short ester, no problem. Thanks....crazy mike

**warmouth** · 04-21-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

A 12 yr. old .. now that's flattering or not. If it is my intellect not good, if it's my typing and typos and missed word from time to time please know that that is all from typing problems. It is what it is, I am who I am so I hope you laugh with me and not AT ME.

...cm

Ha ha. No man. This has just been a funny thread. We all get kicks out of some of the things you say and how you handle it. Keep on keeping on.