Test and Mast Prop - First Pin Cycle

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 07:30 PM

My friend has a local source with some extremely quality product. Swears by and no PIP.

And the test prop is 200 not 100.

So what I was looking to run was- Pin EOD

300mg Test Prop / week
300mg Mast Prop / week
70mg Var / Daily

30
6'4
220
Currently ~17% BF- Cutting now with diet and cardio (6 days a week)

Just wondering what peoples thoughts were inrelation to the Prop and first pin cycle??

My buddy has been cycling for a long time and said his first test cycle he pinned prop and didnt have any real issues, except for hitting a nerve once or twice (this was years and years ago for him and he is currently TRT)

**Capebuffalo** · 04-23-2013, 07:32 PM

This will be your first cycle?

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

This will be your first cycle?

No have run Var and Tbol in the past.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-23-2013, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by MACKATTACK

No have run Var and Tbol in the past.

With no test?

Run the prop alone. You will make nice gains. I think it will be painful @200
Where is AI? Hcg ? What is your pct?

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

With no test?

Run the prop alone. You will make nice gains. I think it will be painful @200
Where is AI? Hcg? What is your pct?

I was using the Mast to help with the Test and not run any arimidex .

PCT is Nolva and Clomid.

No HCG .

**MartyMcFly** · 04-23-2013, 07:44 PM

Mast & Var will do you no good. Test only homie.

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 07:44 PM

Btw Gyno is not a major concern of mine since I had gynocamestia surgery at a young age.

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by MartyMcFly

Mast & Var will do you no good. Test only homie.

I am not running this cycle now. This is in July. I will be good to go then.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-23-2013, 07:46 PM

Mast is a waist until you are below 12% bf

I suggest again test only
Armidex. Hcg
Clomid and novla

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 07:59 PM

No one has answered my question or mentioned thoughts about the PROP as the first pin cycle?

**Capebuffalo** · 04-23-2013, 08:01 PM

If you don't mind pinning eod. Prop
If you do. Test e or c
I personally have never been able to pin prop

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I personally have never been able to pin prop

How come?

**ChiveOn** · 04-23-2013, 08:03 PM

IMO 300 is a bit low for the test. But if you're only looking to cut you should be fine. You really have to be ok with pinning so often if you're going with prop. It can get dull quick....
Mast does exert an anti estrogenic effect but you should have an AI on hand as it is a weak effect. Especially at a dose that's on the lower end.
As far as body fat, live been warned. Mast and var will be a very expensive waste of cash if ou can't get to or solidly under 12% bf

**Capebuffalo** · 04-23-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by MACKATTACK

How come?

Idk. My body fights it every time. Different manufacturers
I have pinned TNE E C D with no problems. Prop always gives me problems.

**MACKATTACK** · 04-23-2013, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Idk. My body fights it every time. Different manufacturers
I have pinned TNE E C D with no problems. Prop always gives me problems.

If I didnt Pin prop is there another you would recommend? I just know CYP is notorious as being dirty and my whole understanding is the shorter, then the less sides and usually less bloat. Thats why I was looking more into prop.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-23-2013, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by MACKATTACK

If I didnt Pin prop is there another you would recommend? I just know CYP is notorious as being dirty and my whole understanding is the shorter, then the less sides and usually less bloat. Thats why I was looking more into prop.

Test e and c are great "starters" c isn't notorious for being dirty. A ugl maybe
Ai will help with bloat and diet
TNE is my favorite but E is what I started with and will always love.