Test Prop + Primo Ace + Tren Ace + Halo?

[Randy_Mar]

I've been thinking about this stack for my next cycle, and wanted your thoughts!
I've ran test/tren numerous times, but this would be my first time with Primo. I was able to score an injectable acetate form of primo from a UGL.

I was thinking:
100mg test Prop EOD (Week 1-9)
100mg Primo Ace EOD (week 1-9)
100mg tren Ace EOD (Week 1-9)
30mg Halotestin ED (week 6-9)

The usual Nolva + Clom for PCT
Letro for A.I. (Adex and Aroma just don't cut it for my gyno prone self!) + Prami each week
Liver support during Halo.

My Goal is pure strength, with as little weight gain as possible (In order to stay in my weight class!)
Can I expect any strength from Primo? I'm sure most gains will come from the Tren, as usual.

Stats:
Age: 32
Weight: 185lb
Training: 14yrs
Body fat 10%
Experience: 8-10 past cycles

[OnTheSauce]

Should be pretty baller although I think masteron would've been a better choice than primo.

[Randy_Mar]

Wouldn't more steady strength gains come from Primo, over Mast?

Although Mast would probably be better for the sex drive. And add aggressiveness (Which are both good!)

[ChiveOn]

I would agree with Patrick. Although I have no experience with Primo, it's generally tought that Tren and Mast work well together

[Randy_Mar]

I always thought Primo helps build lean quality muscle and masteron is just a hardener but really wont help build muscle ?

[OnTheSauce]

You got em switched

[OnTheSauce]

Here's some good info on masteron posted by Ronnie

"Proviron (oral 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone) and Masteron (an injectable form of 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterne) are indeed structurally very similar. Both are DHT hormones with a minor modification (methylation) on each. This similarity, however, doesn't carry over extremely closely when it comes to function. Both steroids are DHT derivatives, yes, and because of this there is no estrogen conversion possible with either drug. They lack a structural trait necessary for their conversion to estrogen. This characteristic may also allow both steroids to offer some level of anti-estrogenic activity, as the non-aromatizable steroid may compete with other aromatizable steroids (like your own endogenous testosterone ) for binding to the aromatase enzyme. This should lower estrogen levels and heighten the ratio of relative androgenic to estrogenic activity in the body. As such, both steroids could be used to some extent for cutting or contest preparations. The main value in this regard is that both may help, instead of hinder, the visible retention of fat and subcutaneous water. With less water retained, muscle definition can increase provided body fat is low enough. But this is about where the functional similarities between the two agents end.

The main difference between Proviron and Masteron is their relative level of anabolic activity in skeletal muscle. Both steroids are capable of attaching to and activating the androgen receptor in muscle tissue. As such, both are theoretically capable of supporting muscle growth. But there is one major problem with Proviron. Like the base steroid dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has a high affinity for the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) enzyme. Why is this important? It is important because 3HSD produces a weaker steroid by removing the highly important 3-keto group on the active steroid molecule. It this case it produces what are known as weak steroid "diols". 3HSD is present in high amounts in muscle tissue, and represents a sort of blocking wall for the steroid to get through before it is able to find its corresponding receptor in the cytosol of the cell. Proviron and DHT will be actively looking for 3HSD if you will, and as a result very little will find the receptor before being converted to weakly active steroids. This is why people do not gain a lot of muscle mass while taking DHT or Proviron. The 1-methlation may result in improving the oral bioavailability of Proviron, hence the fact that it is an oral drug, but it doesn't do much to protect it from 3HSD.

Masteron contains a 2-methylated derivative of DHT. Unlike the 1-methylation of Proviron, this alteration doesn't effectively protect the steroid during oral dosing. This is why we only see Masteron as an injectable medication. However, shifting the methyl group from the 1 to the 2 position on the steroid backbone very effectively prevents conversion by 3HSD. As a result, the steroid is well equipped to enter the cell and break through the defensive line of 3HSD enzymes. It will reach the cytosolic androgen receptor in high concentrations, and because of this may impart a measurable tissue-building effect. So the bottom line is that while both may help improve the look of hardness to the muscles during contest preparations, only Masteron is actually going to offer a strong effect in muscle tissue itself. This means the potential for much more muscle size and strength gains during building phases of training, and at the very least a greater level of muscle preservation during cutting phases of training (the latter due to anabolic action in muscle helping to counter the catabolic effects of calorie restriction). These two drugs illustrate well the fact that categorizing the actions of steroids based on the three derivative bases (testosterone, nandrolone , and dihydrotestosterone) is not a highly accurate practice. So the next time someone tells you "This is a DHT derivative... so", you can tell them "So what? I want to know what THIS steroid does, not DHT!"
- William Llewellyn, Author of Anabolics 9th Edition and Underground Anabolics
"

[gearbox]

I've been thinking about this stack for my next cycle, and wanted your thoughts!
I've ran test/tren numerous times, but this would be my first time with Primo. I was able to score an injectable acetate form of primo from a UGL.

I was thinking:
100mg test Prop EOD (Week 1-9)
100mg Primo Ace EOD (week 1-9)
100mg tren Ace EOD (Week 1-9)
30mg Halotestin ED (week 6-9)

The usual Nolva + Clom for PCT
Letro for A.I. (Adex and Aroma just don't cut it for my gyno prone self!) + Prami each week
Liver support during Halo.

My Goal is pure strength, with as little weight gain as possible (In order to stay in my weight class!)
Can I expect any strength from Primo? I'm sure most gains will come from the Tren, as usual.

Stats:
Age: 32
Weight: 185lb
Training: 14yrs
Body fat 10%
Experience: 8-10 past cycles

With test tren and halo you will be a monster. Halo has a very strong androgenic affect. I wouldnt waste more $$ on mast or primo. Besides mast needs to be run at high doses to get the affect imo

[Randy_Mar]

Here's some good info on masteron posted by Ronnie

Appreciate the info! Yea, I guess I them switched. Do you think either would have a more negative affect on my pre-existing gyno?

With test tren and halo you will be a monster. Halo has a very strong androgenic affect. I wouldnt waste more $$ on mast or primo. Besides mast needs to be run at high doses to get the affect imo

Yea, you do have a point! I've ran Prop + halo, which i loved. Also ran Test + Tren , which i also loved! So that combo (test/tren/halo) would probably be pretty badass!

I love HALO! Although the last couple of batches I got really didn't effect me much, and I ran it HIGH!! I know it's easily faked though.

[Granovich]

I have no idea why would a person pick masteron over primo
Beside the fact that u need heavy dose of primo like 700mg a week whoch means alot Of money
But primo def beat masteron
It builds more muscle and its amazing if u can get ur hands on real stuff
Masteron isnt even close

[Randy_Mar]

I have no idea why would a person pick masteron over primo
Beside the fact that u need heavy dose of primo like 700mg a week whoch means alot Of money
But primo def beat masteron
It builds more muscle and its amazing if u can get ur hands on real stuff
Masteron isnt even close

So do you think 100mg EOD of primo is a waste? (Even if it's in acetate form)

[Granovich]

So do you think 100mg EOD of primo is a waste? (Even if it's in acetate form)

I dont know about acetate but primo needs to be ran at high doses
Like 100mg ed
Thats what im honna run for my next cycle

[Granovich]

You got em switched

Masteron DOES NOT build muscle at all

[Randy_Mar]

Is there any better cycle for strength (Without much of the weight gain?)

Compared to my proposed cycle

[Randy_Mar]

Is there any better cycle for strength (Without much of the weight gain?)

Compared to my proposed cycle

Anyone wanna chime in?

[Lunk1]

My vote is 100% with Gear. If you are just wanting to gain overall strength then Test/tren /halo! Since you were not mentioning getting on a stage or changing your appearnce then drop the high $ primo/mast thought.

[Randy_Mar]

Yea, I need to just stick with the Test/Tren /Halo option. I was just hard-headed and wanted to add in something new, but realistically the primo probably won't make much difference (except in my wallet!)

Haven't done tren ace in a long time! I'm excited about this combo. If this works like I'm hoping, in August I'll be qualifying for Arnolds 2014!

Thanks fellas!

[Randy_Mar]

I do have a follow-up questions in regards to this cycle....
In the past, if I had gyno issues on cycle (not consisting of tren ) , i could take Tamox or Ralox to calm it down.

I'm pretty sure i know this answer, but wanted to be sure. I know I shouldn't take Tamox while on tren, but does the same go for Ralox? (My guess would be the same answer....I shouldn't)

Thanks!

[Lunk1]

I do have a follow-up questions in regards to this cycle....
In the past, if I had gyno issues on cycle (not consisting of tren ) , i could take Tamox or Ralox to calm it down.

I'm pretty sure i know this answer, but wanted to be sure. I know I shouldn't take Tamox while on tren, but does the same go for Ralox? (My guess would be the same answer....I shouldn't)

Thanks!

The broscience of not using Nolva or Tamox on 19nor cycles is BS!

[Randy_Mar]

Awesome!! Learn new sh*t everyday

Thanks lunk!

[OnTheSauce]

Masteron DOES NOT build muscle at all

So you just didn't bother to read what I posted at all....

[Randy_Mar]

Planned on running this for 8-9 wks, to fall perfectly with my competition in August. I know it's a rule of thumb to run shorter esters for 8-9wks or so. How bad would it be to run this for 3 extra weeks? I have a 2nd tournament not long after.

Is it risky to run shorter esters for 11-12wks?